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Magic - drafted by Lakers. Who knew he would be an all time great?
Cooper - drafted by Lakers. Who knew he would even be decent?
Worthy - drafted by Lakers. Who knew he would be top 50 all time?
Scott - drafted by Lakers. Who knew he would be a fringe all star?
The Lakers landed Kareem but built around him with solid draft picks.
Once again, magic and worthy, both #1 draft picks, let's not try to act like these guys were "surprises" that they were good. These guys were not like tony Parker or manu, expected to MAYBE be a role player. They were expected to be great.
Scott was a #4 pick, if anything he under performed expectations.
Cooper was the lakers manu. Their "pleasant surprise"
Let's also not act like the lakers were not paying more than any team in the league to make sure not to lose any of their stars.
8 finals in 10 years, 9 in 11, paying the highest payroll in the league for much of that span, and stacking a team with a minimum 3 all time greats, and several other HOF/near HOF talents, but it's the cave and warriors that are the "stacked teams"
This is what happens when one player can dominate a game. Throw in a couple more elite stars, and you really get dominance. If you want more parity, watch baseball.
Once again, magic and worthy, both #1 draft picks, let's not try to act like these guys were "surprises" that they were good. These guys were not like tony Parker or manu, expected to MAYBE be a role player. They were expected to be great.
Scott was a #4 pick, if anything he under performed expectations.
Cooper was the lakers manu. Their "pleasant surprise"
Yeah, every #1 draft pick ends up being a top 5 all time player.
Regardless, you missed the point. The point is that the Lakers built a dynasty through drafting young talent one player at a time. The Lakers got what would end up being Magic as part of a savvy trade deal in '76. They made another awesome trade in 1980 and ended up with a pick that ended up being Worthy. The Lakers traded a very good player in Norm Nixon to pick up the rights to Byron Scott - a #4 draft pick that contributes right away is a gamble. The Lakers got lucky.
And you are VERY wrong in thinking that Byron Scott underperformed expectations. He put up ~18/3/3 on teams with Magic, Worthy, Wilkes and Kareem. What more would you want him to do?!? He led the champion '88 Lakers in scoring for crying out loud.
Bottom line:
Worthy - drafted
Scott - drafted
Magic - drafted
A.C Green - drafted (23rd)
Cooper - drafted (60th)
The Lakers also picked up one of the greatest dirty work/hustle players of all time in Kurt Rambis...a guy who was waived by the Knicks months earlier.
The Lakers made some shrewd trades for draft picks and got a little lucky by their picks turning out to be greats (Worthy/Magic), good (Scott) or VERY solid role players (Green/Cooper).
Somebody in the Lakers front office knew what they were doing while building the Lakers.
Let's also not act like the lakers were not paying more than any team in the league to make sure not to lose any of their stars.
8 finals in 10 years, 9 in 11, paying the highest payroll in the league for much of that span, and stacking a team with a minimum 3 all time greats, and several other HOF/near HOF talents, but it's the cave and warriors that are the "stacked teams"
Ridiculous
Jerry West - drafted a Laker
Elgin Baylor - drafted a Laker
Gail Goodrich - drafted a Laker
Rudy LaRusso - drafted a Laker
Hot Rod Hundley - drafted a Laker
Some combination of this group also went to a lot of Finals.
Yeah, every #1 draft pick ends up being a top 5 all time player.
Regardless, you missed the point. The point is that the Lakers built a dynasty through drafting young talent one player at a time. The Lakers got what would end up being Magic as part of a savvy trade deal in '76. They made another awesome trade in 1980 and ended up with a pick that ended up being Worthy. The Lakers traded a very good player in Norm Nixon to pick up the rights to Byron Scott - a #4 draft pick that contributes right away is a gamble. The Lakers got lucky.
And you are VERY wrong in thinking that Byron Scott underperformed expectations. He put up ~18/3/3 on teams with Magic, Worthy, Wilkes and Kareem. What more would you want him to do?!? He led the champion '88 Lakers in scoring for crying out loud.
Bottom line:
Worthy - drafted
Scott - drafted
Magic - drafted
A.C Green - drafted (23rd)
Cooper - drafted (60th)
The Lakers also picked up one of the greatest dirty work/hustle players of all time in Kurt Rambis...a guy who was waived by the Knicks months earlier.
The Lakers made some shrewd trades for draft picks and got a little lucky by their picks turning out to be greats (Worthy/Magic), good (Scott) or VERY solid role players (Green/Cooper).
Somebody in the Lakers front office knew what they were doing while building the Lakers.
Hmmmmm you mean the lakers stacked their teams?
And they stacked their teams with savvy picks, trades, and bone pile pick ups?
You mean they built all that around an all time great (Kareem?)
So basically the showtime lakers did exactly what the cavs have done around lebron...
Thanks for clarifying my point for me.
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Originally Posted by eddiehaskell
Jerry West - drafted a Laker
Elgin Baylor - drafted a Laker
Gail Goodrich - drafted a Laker
Rudy LaRusso - drafted a Laker
Hot Rod Hundley - drafted a Laker
Some combination of this group also went to a lot of Finals.
You mean they stacked another team too?
You are telling me, that even all the way back then, there were stacked teams? Now you don't say... I guess what I said was true after all. Thanks!
Hmmmmm you mean the lakers stacked their teams?
And they stacked their teams with savvy picks, trades, and bone pile pick ups?
You mean they built all that around an all time great (Kareem?)
So basically the showtime lakers did exactly what the cavs have done around lebron...
Thanks for clarifying my point for me.
You mean they stacked another team too?
You are telling me, that even all the way back then, there were stacked teams? Now you don't say... I guess what I said was true after all. Thanks!
This seems difficult for you to grasp.
Teams like the Lakers, Celtics and Bulls didn't come together overnight. It's not like the Lakers traded for Kareem, added Magic, added Worthy, added Cooper, added Scott, added Green/Rambis and BAM the team came together in ONE season and went on to win 5 rings in a row. The Lakers got Kareem (70s equivalent to Lebron) in 1976 and didn't make the finals until FIVE years later.
We all know Lebron wasn't going to sign with any team that wasn't stacked enough to at least make the finals in his FIRST season. The same could be said for his exit to Miami - Lebron wasn't going to join a project - he wanted to know he would win championships immediately. Durant is the same way; he signed with the team that gave him the best chance of winning immediately.
Also note that the Bulls didn't come together in one season either. Jordan didn't make the finals until his 7-8 season. As the best player in the league, did he survey the NBA landscape and sign with a team that could put him in the Finals right away?
Teams like the Lakers, Celtics and Bulls didn't come together overnight. It's not like the Lakers traded for Kareem, added Magic, added Worthy, added Cooper, added Scott, added Green/Rambis and BAM the team came together in ONE season and went on to win 5 rings in a row. The Lakers got Kareem (70s equivalent to Lebron) in 1976 and didn't make the finals until FIVE years later.
We all know Lebron wasn't going to sign with any team that wasn't stacked enough to at least make the finals in his FIRST season. The same could be said for his exit to Miami - Lebron wasn't going to join a project - he wanted to know he would win championships immediately. Durant is the same way; he signed with the team that gave him the best chance of winning immediately.
Also note that the Bulls didn't come together in one season either. Jordan didn't make the finals until his 7-8 season. As the best player in the league, did he survey the NBA landscape and sign with a team that could put him in the Finals right away?
Yeah I don't think that Rigas understands. Teams making some good draft choices is way different then how the current NBA operates.
Yeah I don't think that Rigas understands. Teams making some good draft choices is way different then how the current NBA operates.
Please tell me what's different between how the cavs were built than any other @super team in the past.
Because they took a drafted player and traded him ft an established player?
Ridiculous
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