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Old 05-01-2017, 08:12 AM
 
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Where would you guys rank him 1)amongst the GOAT Celtics, and 2)amongst the GOAT wings, and 3)amongst the GOAT of his generation?

Open to extreme debate. Paul Pierce was always one of my favorite players, but objectively here is how I'd answer my own questions:

1)at best, I'd say he's the #3 Celtic all-time. But I'm younger than many of you guys and some of you may be able to provide more clarity to his position on that historic franchise. There's no way he's moving beyond Bird or Russell, but there is another starting 5 of HOF talent from that franchise alone, so I'm interested in hearing where he ranks in Celtic tradition...

2)I don't think he's a GOAT wing, as in Top 10 at the 2-3 combo guard/forward. Too many other players who had longer peaks, and higher peaks...

3)Pierce's prime was in the '00s, roughly 02-09, but a decade in which he averaged better than 20 ppg 8/10 seasons. He carried the weight of that franchise the entire decade through some very difficult times. At best though, he was only a Top 12-15 player for the decade, and at his very peak, maybe a Top 5 wing. That was a short-lived peak, though, and viewing the entire 2000-2009 decade, you have to put him behind Kobe, T-Mac, and Lebron. Depending on how you value Iverson position-wise, I think we'd all agree he was a better player with a larger impact than Pierce. Also, was he better than 04-09 Wade?

My final thoughts are that he was a bit underrated in his prime, but has been slightly overrated during his "retirement tour" the last 4 years or so. He's a Hall of Famer for the consistency he showed in carrying bad Celtics teams; he won a ring and was a Kendrick Perkins injury from being a 2x champion. But there's levels of greatness. His greatness will not be remembered to the same level of several of his contemporaries during his best years...
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Old 05-01-2017, 11:59 AM
 
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Where would you guys rank him 1)amongst the GOAT Celtics, and 2)amongst the GOAT wings, and 3)amongst the GOAT of his generation?

Open to extreme debate. Paul Pierce was always one of my favorite players, but objectively here is how I'd answer my own questions:

1)at best, I'd say he's the #3 Celtic all-time. But I'm younger than many of you guys and some of you may be able to provide more clarity to his position on that historic franchise. There's no way he's moving beyond Bird or Russell, but there is another starting 5 of HOF talent from that franchise alone, so I'm interested in hearing where he ranks in Celtic tradition...

2)I don't think he's a GOAT wing, as in Top 10 at the 2-3 combo guard/forward. Too many other players who had longer peaks, and higher peaks...

3)Pierce's prime was in the '00s, roughly 02-09, but a decade in which he averaged better than 20 ppg 8/10 seasons. He carried the weight of that franchise the entire decade through some very difficult times. At best though, he was only a Top 12-15 player for the decade, and at his very peak, maybe a Top 5 wing. That was a short-lived peak, though, and viewing the entire 2000-2009 decade, you have to put him behind Kobe, T-Mac, and Lebron. Depending on how you value Iverson position-wise, I think we'd all agree he was a better player with a larger impact than Pierce. Also, was he better than 04-09 Wade?

My final thoughts are that he was a bit underrated in his prime, but has been slightly overrated during his "retirement tour" the last 4 years or so. He's a Hall of Famer for the consistency he showed in carrying bad Celtics teams; he won a ring and was a Kendrick Perkins injury from being a 2x champion. But there's levels of greatness. His greatness will not be remembered to the same level of several of his contemporaries during his best years...
Paul Pierce:
1) Not in the ballpark
2) Not in the ballpark
3) Not in the ballpark

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1) All-time Celtics before Paul Pierce gets mention (at least): Bob Cousy, Bill Russell, KC Jones, John Havlicek, Dave Cowens, Bird, McHale, Parish, Kevin Garnett.

2) This list is just enormous. He's in the top 100, probably. I don't think you can justify him in the top 50.

3) Pierce had longevity: 1998-2017. He played against Scottie Pippen as a rookie, and now against a rising Andrew Wiggens. The best of his eras? Malone, Shaq, Garnett, Yao, Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Webber, Duncan, Iverson, Kidd, Howard, etc., etc. Pierce was a very good player, but never among the league's best.
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Old 05-01-2017, 01:48 PM
 
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Pierce was a 2-way player that was REALLY good for a long time but with zero 1st team all NBA selections he's clearly not belonging in any sort of GOAT conversation and during his career was typically a top 8-15 type player.

He'll should make the HOF pretty easily based upon a huge body of work from college to the pros including a Finals MVP.
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Old 05-01-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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I don't even know where he ranks as far as All Time Celtics. There's just too much talent at the top of a list like that. He's in the Celtic pantheon though. I really wanted to see Pierce remain in Boston for his entire career.

I think Pierce fits comfortably in with a group of guys who defined their era. Kobe, Tim, Dirk, Garnett, Shaq, Nash, and other greats are his contemporaries. He's a champion and a Finals MVP. He's first ballot Hall of Fame.
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