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Old 06-07-2017, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Jordan is # 1 for now
Wilt is # 2 for now


Pistol Pete Maravich belongs on this list
He's not even in the top 20 and you want to put him in the top 10?

 
Old 06-07-2017, 06:38 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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You mean a much more efficient scorer? Westbrook has the lower FG percentage, but not bad at all. And, he's doing it against better athletes than Jordan faced, night after night.

If Westbrook was as good as Jordan, I think he'd still have zero rings. Edit: Well, maybe one.
Westbrook is also doing it against a much weaker defensive era than MJ'S era. Let's switch things around and see how dominant MJ would be in today's marshmallow soft NBA. If he was as dominant as he was in a much tougher era of basketball, what do you think he'd do today if he was in his prime?
 
Old 06-07-2017, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Westbrook is also doing it against a much weaker defensive era than MJ'S era. Let's switch things around and see how dominant MJ would be in today's marshmallow soft NBA. If he was as dominant as he was in a much tougher era of basketball, what do you think he'd do today if he was in his prime?
If MJ in his early prime played today, he would average 40 ppg, 7 rpg, 7 apg, 3 spg, 1 bpg for the next 8 years.
 
Old 06-07-2017, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Top 10 (a lot of thought given to this, so not completely confident):

Mike
Kareem
Lebron
Magic
Wilt
Russell
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Oscar

Kobe and Hakeem are the only other two players that, as of right now, have a legitimate case as Top 10, but they're my 11-12. Like I said, very tentative, and I'm open to moving a few players around...

Somebody asked about Dirk--right now, he's probably 18-20 and that's his ceiling, but KD is going to squeak in front of him if he gets this ring. I'd put KD and Curry and Wade somewhere between 20-30. Wade is done, so he'll never get inside the Top 20. I'd move Curry ahead of him if Curry gets this year's ring. I don't think Curry would get inside 20 yet, though, but Durant? He's an easy call for Top 20 with a win (with a loss, he's around 21-23), but overall, he's on track to fly into that Top 10 within a few years!

Also, one of my favorite players ever will always be Kevin Garnett. He is a Top 5 player of his era and I think he's in the low end of the Top 25, somewhere around Wade. I loved watching that dude play...
 
Old 06-07-2017, 07:16 PM
 
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Somebody asked about Dirk--right now, he's probably 18-20 and that's his ceiling,

Also, one of my favorite players ever will always be Kevin Garnett. He is a Top 5 player of his era and I think he's in the low end of the Top 25, somewhere around Wade. I loved watching that dude play...
Kevin Garnett (16-20) > Dirk Nowitzki (21-25).
 
Old 06-07-2017, 07:28 PM
 
Location: So California
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Dirk is far better than Garnett ever was. Garnett could not lead his team to anything. Dirks stats are way better and he carried 3 or 4 incarnations of his team to consistent 50+ win seasons and a title. Garnett was 3rd in scoring on his Celtics title team. Head to head even Dirks numbers are better. Garnetts greatness is generally over blown.
 
Old 06-07-2017, 07:41 PM
 
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Cavs showing why LeBron is still the MVP of the NBA.
They play defense like in the all-star game when LeBron is not on the court.
 
Old 06-07-2017, 08:00 PM
 
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Cavs showing why LeBron is still the MVP of the NBA.
They play defense like in the all-star game when LeBron is not on the court.
This exactly!
 
Old 06-07-2017, 08:21 PM
 
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Dirk is far better than Garnett ever was. Garnett could not lead his team to anything. Dirks stats are way better and he carried 3 or 4 incarnations of his team to consistent 50+ win seasons and a title. Garnett was 3rd in scoring on his Celtics title team. Head to head even Dirks numbers are better. Garnetts greatness is generally over blown.
Head to head...

Kevin Garnett
21.8 ppg (.519 fg%)
11.5 rpg
4.3 apg
1.2 spg
1.2 bpg

Dirk Nowitzki
23.1 ppg (.467 fg%)
8.2 rpg
2.1 apg
0.6 spg
0.8 bpg


How are Dirk's stats better than Garnett's?

Dirk never averaged more than 9.9 rpg in a season, Garnett had 6 seasons where he averaged at least 12.1 rpg.

Dirk never averaged more than 3.5 apg in a season, Garnett had 6 seasons where he averaged at least 5.0 apg.

Dirk only had 1 season where he averaged more than 1.4 bpg in a season, Garnett did it 10 times.

Dirk only had 1 season where he averaged more than 1.2 spg, Garnett did it 11 times.

Kevin Garnett won Defensive Player of the Year and was selected to 9 All-Defensive First Teams and 3 All-Defensive Second Teams.

Only thing Dirk does better is shooting and scoring,
 
Old 06-07-2017, 08:35 PM
 
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Dirk is far better than Garnett ever was. Garnett could not lead his team to anything. Dirks stats are way better and he carried 3 or 4 incarnations of his team to consistent 50+ win seasons and a title. Garnett was 3rd in scoring on his Celtics title team. Head to head even Dirks numbers are better. Garnetts greatness is generally over blown.
Garnett was DPOY on his Celtics team. Dirk was a defensive liability. KG was first team all-defense NINE times. KG was one of my least favorite players, but he's not overrated. I do, however agree that he was at one point.
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