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Old 06-10-2017, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Land of the Great Bears
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Westbrook is also doing it against a much weaker defensive era than MJ'S era. Let's switch things around and see how dominant MJ would be in today's marshmallow soft NBA. If he was as dominant as he was in a much tougher era of basketball, what do you think he'd do today if he was in his prime?
I don't agree. Players are more athletic, in better shape and coached to be better defenders, on average, than back then.

Think Jordan's 60+ points against Chris Ford.

And Bill Russell doesn't belong on the top ten greatest. He'd be a role player like Tristan Thompson in today's NBA.

 
Old 06-10-2017, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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And Bill Russell doesn't belong on the top ten greatest. He'd be a role player like Tristan Thompson in today's NBA.
The disrespect
 
Old 06-10-2017, 02:20 PM
 
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And Bill Russell doesn't belong on the top ten greatest. He'd be a role player like Tristan Thompson in today's NBA.
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The disrespect
I agree that Bill Russell would not be considered Top 10 if he played in the modern era of the NBA. But I would put him ahead of Tristan Thompson.

The player I think he'd closest resemble is Ben Wallace in his prime. Russell would have been an undersized big who defended the paint at an elite level, but a liability on offense and nowhere near an all-time great.
 
Old 06-10-2017, 05:28 PM
 
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I agree that Bill Russell would not be considered Top 10 if he played in the modern era of the NBA. But I would put him ahead of Tristan Thompson.

The player I think he'd closest resemble is Ben Wallace in his prime. Russell would have been an undersized big who defended the paint at an elite level, but a liability on offense and nowhere near an all-time great.
Does Ben Wallace have more rings than fingers?
 
Old 06-10-2017, 06:01 PM
 
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I agree that Bill Russell would not be considered Top 10 if he played in the modern era of the NBA. But I would put him ahead of Tristan Thompson.

The player I think he'd closest resemble is Ben Wallace in his prime. Russell would have been an undersized big who defended the paint at an elite level, but a liability on offense and nowhere near an all-time great.
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Does Ben Wallace have more rings than fingers?
No, but rings alone do not determine a player's greatness. Big-Shot-Bob Horry has 7 of them!
 
Old 06-11-2017, 08:38 AM
 
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I don't agree. Players are more athletic, in better shape and coached to be better defenders, on average, than back then.

Think Jordan's 60+ points against Chris Ford.

And Bill Russell doesn't belong on the top ten greatest. He'd be a role player like Tristan Thompson in today's NBA.
Seems like athleticism and "coaching" doesn't help as much when offensive players can't be touched and there's much more spacing due to teams shooting 5x more 3s. Jordan and Lebron both mostly score by driving to the basket so anything creating more space likely helps them both. You could also argue that there are no longer elite bigs in the lane to greet wings coming near the rim.
 
Old 06-11-2017, 09:19 AM
 
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Old 06-11-2017, 10:43 AM
 
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This top 10 is the opinion of my Blood cousin from Philadelphia, streetball player and knows his ****,we had a great convo this morning.But i wanna share his 10

#1Jordan
#2Kareem
#3Magic

He says those 3 can all have a strong argument for #1

#4 Kobe
#5 Wilt
#6 Bill Russell
#7 Hakeem ( He noted that Hakeem destroyed Shaq lol )
#8 Shaq Diesel
#9 Duncan
#10 LeBron James or Bird but gave it slightly to James.

It seems that the majority of everyone has Mike,Kareem & Magic in their top 5 so i can't argue that.

Well here's my list of 10 Greatest to never win a ring.

#1 Karl Malone
#2 Charles Barkley
#3 John Stockton
#4 Reggie Miller
#5 Allen Iverson
#6 Dominique Wilkins
#7 Tracy Mcgrady
#8 Chris Webber
#9 Penny Hardaway( So much potential )
#10 Derrick Rose ( Same as Penny if not for injuries )

Last edited by Kobe25; 06-11-2017 at 10:52 AM..
 
Old 06-11-2017, 11:32 AM
 
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Seems like athleticism and "coaching" doesn't help as much when offensive players can't be touched and there's much more spacing due to teams shooting 5x more 3s.
Can't be touched. Hmmm. It's true that "hard" (flagrant) fouls and cheap shots off the ball were somewhat tolerated and much more prevalent then, but IMO tough, physical team defense is more common now.

Just watch video of playoffs and finals games from the 90's and compare it to what you're seeing today.

They're shooting more 3's today because so many players are now capable of making a decent percentage, thanks to better coaching and more practice dedicated to developing this skill.
 
Old 06-11-2017, 11:37 AM
 
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Well here's my list of 10 Greatest to never win a ring.

#1 Karl Malone
#2 Charles Barkley
#3 John Stockton
#4 Reggie Miller
#5 Allen Iverson
#6 Dominique Wilkins
#7 Tracy Mcgrady
#8 Chris Webber
#9 Penny Hardaway( So much potential )
#10 Derrick Rose ( Same as Penny if not for injuries )
Elgin Baylor, George Gervin, Patrick Ewing and Steve Nash should be on that list.
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