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Old 07-19-2017, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I realize LA isn't the place to be like it used to be but can we all agree that there's a much better chance now (and next off season) than there was the last few years that a big time free agent would choose the Lakers?
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Old 07-19-2017, 09:09 AM
 
Location: spring tx
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I realize LA isn't the place to be like it used to be but can we all agree that there's a much better chance now (and next off season) than there was the last few years that a big time free agent would choose the Lakers?
well i mean if it went from 1% to 10% then sure thats a huge jump in the odds.
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Old 07-19-2017, 11:14 AM
 
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I realize LA isn't the place to be like it used to be but can we all agree that there's a much better chance now (and next off season) than there was the last few years that a big time free agent would choose the Lakers?
Well I don't think that anyone would argue that Magic is going to be a big improvement over Buss.

However, that's about the only thing that's different and isn't always what a player cares about.

They still have a pretty bad team and even if Ball works out it's still going to be 3 years before he gets near his potential and that's IF he works out.

With that said I've always agreed the Lakers would get out of the hole they're in but frankly I'm still seeing that taking some more time and the quick salvation via free agency has and likely still is unlikely in the short term.

They took an important first step and that's getting rid of Buss but wow he left them in a deep hole.
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:22 AM
 
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Well I don't think that anyone would argue that Magic is going to be a big improvement over Buss.

However, that's about the only thing that's different and isn't always what a player cares about.

They still have a pretty bad team and even if Ball works out it's still going to be 3 years before he gets near his potential and that's IF he works out.

With that said I've always agreed the Lakers would get out of the hole they're in but frankly I'm still seeing that taking some more time and the quick salvation via free agency has and likely still is unlikely in the short term.

They took an important first step and that's getting rid of Buss but wow he left them in a deep hole.

I'm curious as to what you actually do in this situation. You have (3) potential rising stars in Ball, Randall, and Ingram; however, you likely still need a veteran who can get them over the hump. You know you're likely not going to find that veteran at the 4 or 5 spot, so guys like Randall and Nance are safe in a sense, but could easily be packaged in a trade off down the road too. So you're still left with potentially have to move Ball, Randall, or Ingram to get you that star veteran, because your leading league scorers tend to be in positions 1-3.


The Lakers are going somewhere, but unless Ball, Randall, and Ingram all take quick leaps in skill in very short order, there's still likely a good chance one of them won't be a part of a Lakers playoff running team. If they can get lucky and score a Boogie, AD, or KAT type talent than sure, but I just don't see that happening. I could see it happening if they were to draft that person, but I don't see that caliber of person going there via free agency or a trade, without losing a Ball, Randall, or Ingram.
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:52 AM
 
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I think the Lakers keep Ball and Randall and make all the others expendable. Ingram is the type of developmental guy that Lebron would want no part of- honestly the short time I've watched Lonzo Ball's game I don't think it meshes better than say a Kyrie Irving either.


So For the Lebron to Lakers crowd-


Would Ball, Lebron, P. George, Randall and a bunch of Lebron's over the hill buddies make them a championship team in 2018.
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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I think the Lakers keep Ball and Randall and make all the others expendable. Ingram is the type of developmental guy that Lebron would want no part of.


So For the Lebron to Lakers crowd-


Would Ball, Lebron, P. George, Randall and a bunch of Lebron's over the hill buddies make them a championship team in 2018.
Playoffs for sure, maybe conference finals. Would have to see who the big men are, if they are smart and good defensively, the sky's the limit. Not sure yet about Randle's skills, could go either way (all-star or semi bust).

But damn, that would be a fun/interesting team to watch.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:17 AM
 
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I'm looking at the situation with no Lebron in the picture. I don't see Lebron going to the Lakers as being the right move for him or the Lakers long-term success. It's not like the Lakers have a long-term playoff, Conference Finals, or NBA Finals drought like the Cavs did.


I like Ingram's game. I haven't watched much Randall, so I'm going to rely on other posters here.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:26 AM
 
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I'm looking at the situation with no Lebron in the picture. I don't see Lebron going to the Lakers as being the right move for him or the Lakers long-term success. It's not like the Lakers have a long-term playoff, Conference Finals, or NBA Finals drought like the Cavs did.


I like Ingram's game. I haven't watched much Randall, so I'm going to rely on other posters here.
I think the Lakers would be all on board to team Ball with Lebron and it would be the right move as I'm thinking Lebron has a few more elite years. I think its more of a situation where it wouldn't be the right move for Lebron. I don't think its similar to Cleveland's situation, while the Lakers aren't in desperation mode like Cleveland was- I don't think that matters or factors in when you have an opportunity to add Lebron and keep your future centerpiece Lonzo Ball. The Lakers still have a proud history even after this recent losing run - they want to hang more banners just as much as any other organization craving for one, two or three titles.


But the Cleveland situation was different- Kyrie was more advanced in 2015 and is far better pairing with Lebron.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:45 AM
 
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I think the Lakers would be all on board to team Ball with Lebron and it would be the right move as I'm thinking Lebron has a few more elite years. I think its more of a situation where it wouldn't be the right move for Lebron. I don't think its similar to Cleveland's situation, while the Lakers aren't in desperation mode like Cleveland was- I don't think that matters or factors in when you have an opportunity to add Lebron and keep your future centerpiece Lonzo Ball. The Lakers still have a proud history even after this recent losing run - they want to hang more banners just as much as any other organization craving for one, two or three titles.


But the Cleveland situation was different- Kyrie was more advanced in 2015 and is far better pairing with Lebron.
So you're going to put all your chips in Lonzo as being your franchise? I'm perfectly fine with that. I just don't know if you make a title run call with Lebron, without the supporting cast. I don't envision anything the Lakers put on the court is going to put them over the hump, because they're just so young. Now you're asking Lebron to continue to shoulder the burden when he's 34-35?? I just don't see that happening for the Lakers, unless Ball, Ingram, and Randall all play outside their minds immediately.
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Old 07-20-2017, 10:15 AM
 
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I'm curious as to what you actually do in this situation. You have (3) potential rising stars in Ball, Randall, and Ingram; however, you likely still need a veteran who can get them over the hump. You know you're likely not going to find that veteran at the 4 or 5 spot, so guys like Randall and Nance are safe in a sense, but could easily be packaged in a trade off down the road too. So you're still left with potentially have to move Ball, Randall, or Ingram to get you that star veteran, because your leading league scorers tend to be in positions 1-3.


The Lakers are going somewhere, but unless Ball, Randall, and Ingram all take quick leaps in skill in very short order, there's still likely a good chance one of them won't be a part of a Lakers playoff running team. If they can get lucky and score a Boogie, AD, or KAT type talent than sure, but I just don't see that happening. I could see it happening if they were to draft that person, but I don't see that caliber of person going there via free agency or a trade, without losing a Ball, Randall, or Ingram.
Every team that has been bad for a while tends to always have a couple "promising young guys" so that's a dangerous source of hope. (Been there myself as a Bulls fan)

IF they get massive development in their young guys and none of them flake (unlikely), then they could add some veteran solid talent in FA and THEN could be attractive to a bigger name player.

Could happen but with the hole Buss left the Lakers in....that happening fast is unlikely.

I think that a deep breath and step back for Laker fans is in order to really see the damage Buss did and to cut Magic some slack from expectations that he can (pun intended) pull off some instant magical return to good/greatness is unrealistic.

In fact, trying to rush back desperately might actually doom a smart rebuild.

Also, have to ask yourselves would you happy getting to above mediocre and enduring years of 1st round playoff exits or a slower approach aimed at building a team that can compete at high levels? Those goals may require a different approach.
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