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Old 07-28-2017, 12:14 PM
 
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What killed the Cavs was the trap out near center court on Curry and Durant killing it (putting the ball on the floor and getting to hoop, or making the shot, or making the pass) after the trap was beaten.


Klay couldn't be the guy that Durant was, neither could Draymond, and a few of the bench pieces flashed but they didn't consistently perform from that aspect.


I guess I'm in the minority thinking that Draymond wasn't very good this Finals.
Well your eastcoast bias for a reason lol

Curry is the leader of the greatest regular season team ever.

He has that Magic Johnson effect that just makes everything so easy for everyone around him.

Take Curry away and the Warriors are a 4th seed out West.

Take KD away and Curry and Warriors are still eliminating whatever team KD plays for.

You don't seem to understand impact on the floor.
Curry took a step back to let KD shine.As long as the Warrior's win title's why should Curry care who's the better player ?

Curry is the engine

 
Old 07-28-2017, 12:34 PM
 
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Curry in '16 had maybe the greatest season in NBA history. You are blowing an injury-plagued series out of proportion. Durant was not the Warriors' best player this year. He missed 20 games with injury & the Dubs went on a huge run and started playing the way they are capable when he went out. Curry is still the Warriors' engine & that's more valuable than Durant's potent skill set.

Draymond is the prime outlet for the Curry blitz at 35 feet. He was this year in spite of Durant's availability.

Klay was incredible in the Finals this year. He delivered a First Team All-Defense performance every single game.

Draymond's foul trouble hurt, but he was still excellent in his minutes.

Durant had a great Finals, too.

But Curry made it all go.

On the Kyrie move: he's gone. The only question is for who and when. The Cavs would be nuts to leave this hanging into the start of the season, because it is going to take time for the team to figure out it's new look when he does get moved. The Cavs need to see this as their last opportunity: they need to bring back players who improve them against the Warriors. That means defense & playmaking.



The Cavs can't defend the rest of the Warriors 4 on 3. They just can't. Draymond delivered with rebounding, defense, and playmaking. His big downside was unavailability--foul trouble.
Draymond's bigger downside was his shooting and turnovers but you are right if you aren't available you aren't helping at all.

I'm sorry Klay was not incredible. He played some tough defense at times on Kyrie's makes sprinkled ina game or two where he shot well and then competently respectively, but did little of anything else. Aside from Games 4 and 5, It's too bad Cleveland couldn't hit open looks like they did all season
 
Old 07-28-2017, 12:45 PM
 
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Curry in '16 had maybe the greatest season in NBA history. You are blowing an injury-plagued series out of proportion. Durant was not the Warriors' best player this year. He missed 20 games with injury & the Dubs went on a huge run and started playing the way they are capable when he went out. Curry is still the Warriors' engine & that's more valuable than Durant's potent skill set.

Draymond is the prime outlet for the Curry blitz at 35 feet. He was this year in spite of Durant's availability.

Klay was incredible in the Finals this year. He delivered a First Team All-Defense performance every single game.

Draymond's foul trouble hurt, but he was still excellent in his minutes.

Durant had a great Finals, too.

But Curry made it all go.

On the Kyrie move: he's gone. The only question is for who and when. The Cavs would be nuts to leave this hanging into the start of the season, because it is going to take time for the team to figure out it's new look when he does get moved. The Cavs need to see this as their last opportunity: they need to bring back players who improve them against the Warriors. That means defense & playmaking.



The Cavs can't defend the rest of the Warriors 4 on 3. They just can't. Draymond delivered with rebounding, defense, and playmaking. His big downside was unavailability--foul trouble.

Say it louder !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Old 07-28-2017, 01:09 PM
 
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Say it louder !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have it all now CityBridge....a fan of a team with the most recent NBA title and Support from the Village
 
Old 07-28-2017, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Here's what I would do:

3 Team Trade involving the Cleveland Cavaliers, San Antonio Spurs, and Phoenix Suns.

+ Cleveland Cavaliers get Eric Bledsoe, Marquesse Chriss (or any other youngster with upside on the Suns, minus Devin Booker), a future first-round draft pick by the San Antonio Spurs, and a future second-round draft pick by the San Antonio Spurs. Maybe throw in sharp shooter Jared Dudley in here too.

+ San Antonio Spurs get Kyrie Irving and some veteran minimum contracts.

+ Phoenix Suns get LaMarcus Aldridge, Dejounte Murray (or Derrick White, one of the two but not both), Iman Shumpert, and a future first-round pick from the San Antonio Spurs.

Only under pressure should the Spurs part ways with Danny Green and if they part with him, they should ask for Iman Shumpert in return.

The salaries all match, this trade would work. Addresses the needs of all three parties. All three parties get All-Star and/or All-Star caliber players (Eric Bledsoe would be an NBA All-Star in the Eastern Conference) and players that each team has had a reported interest in the past.

All three teams would get what they want. The Suns would get their point guard of the future that fits their timeline and he's a true point guard that primarily facilitates but can knock down shots too. At 6'5", Dejounte Murray, a two-way guard with combo skills, would be a match up nightmare for the opposition.

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Old 07-28-2017, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Akron, OH
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Here's what I would do:

3 Team Trade involving the Cleveland Cavaliers, San Antonio Spurs, and Phoenix Suns.

Cleveland Cavaliers get Eric Bledsoe, Marquesse Chriss (or any other youngster with upside on the Suns, minus Devin Booker), a future first-round draft pick by the San Antonio Spurs, and a future second-round draft pick by the San Antonio Spurs.

San Antonio Spurs get Kyrie Irving and some veteran minimum contracts.

Phoenix Suns get LaMarcus Aldridge, Dejounte Murray (or Derrick White, one of the two but not both), Iman Shumpert, and a future first-round pick from the San Antonio Spurs.

Only under pressure should the Spurs part ways with Danny Green and if they part with him, they should ask for Iman Shumpert in return.
Thats a good idea.
 
Old 07-28-2017, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Draymond's bigger downside was his shooting and turnovers but you are right if you aren't available you aren't helping at all.

I'm sorry Klay was not incredible. He played some tough defense at times on Kyrie's makes sprinkled ina game or two where he shot well and then competently respectively, but did little of anything else. Aside from Games 4 and 5, It's too bad Cleveland couldn't hit open looks like they did all season
The best thing Draymond did was develop himself a three-point shot (ugly as it is). Since he can't attack the rim with consistency (due to size, or who knows what) it makes the floor spaced that much better against opponents.

Klay was offensively decrepit most of the series but his defense made up for it. Luckily the Warriors are deep enough to cover for any one player who goes completely cold. Like the announcer said, "There's just too many of them."
 
Old 07-28-2017, 03:44 PM
 
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Klay Thompson is a Top 15 NBA player today.

The disrespect that man gets is criminal. Unbelievable that none of Nike, Adidas, or Under-Armor didn't reach out to him about a shoe deal and that instead he had to take an offer by some Chinese shoe brand called Anta. He's too solid. Him, Kevin Durant, and Carmelo Anthony are the most dynamic scorers I've ever seen among the current NBA players in the league right now. Kobe was like that too, but he's retired now. Yes, these guys are more impressive than Stephen Curry, Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, and that midget Isaiah Thomas at pure scoring.

Klay is the same dude that went off for 52 points against the Sacramento Kings, scoring 37 of those points in a single quarter. His opponent, DeMarcus Cousins said after the game when asked why the Kings couldn't stop him "God touched his hand, how can you stop that?".

Then he showed the world again the next year in the Western Conference Finals against Oklahoma City. It was Games 5, 6, AND 7 when the Thunder were up in the closing frame and about to knock the Warriors off and eliminate them. A Klay Thompson hot shooting streak started and it salvaged all three games enough to the point where the Warriors eeked their way past the Thunder (though it simultaneously helps that Westbrook and Durant both soiled a king sized mattress and choked all 3 close-out games away as well). Kevin Durant has this to say after the series "how can you stop a guy whose hand is possessed by God?".

Then the next season where Klay just goes off for 60 points in just 29 minutes of game time.

Carmelo Anthony is another guy that's been able to just go off like that. Remember the game where Carmelo scored over 50 points, without a single turnover, and even more impressively, without a single bucket in the paint, all his points were deep 2s and 3s. His 62 point career high where he scored 32 in a single quarter. His 7 game streak of scoring over 40 points in consecutive games.

Then there's Kevin Durant, probably the best pure scorer by skill in the NBA today. He can get his points every way, free throw, 3s, midrange, paint shots, layups, dunks, long range 3s, back to the basket post game, and he does it with an elite shooting efficiency. He's a 50-40-90 Club Member after all.

All I'm trying to say is that Klay's value is always overlooked. He's easily one of the Top 15 players in the NBA, you could make an argument Top 10 and he's only 26, will improve enormously. Two-way player and a cerebral player. I'm glad that 3 years ago the Warriors rejected the Klay Thompson for Kevin Love trade and that this summer they rejected the Klay Thompson for Paul George trade. In both cases, they would've unnecessarily downgraded in talent for god knows what reason and would've been stuck with a much more inferior all around player and talent.

Klay's my second favorite Warrior player after Kevin Durant, both are in my top 5 favorite NBA players in the league today (Kevin Durant is #1).

Not that it matters but Klay is supremely better than Kyrie as a pure scoring talent.

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Old 07-28-2017, 03:49 PM
 
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You have it all now CityBridge....a fan of a team with the most recent NBA title and Support from the Village
Look when your from California things are a little different as a sports fan.

Dodgers may lose but if the Angels win im still a happy camper.

Same thing for basketball, Lakers are forever my team but if they're losing and Golden state is winning of course im gonna root for the California team on top.

Maybe Texas & Florida fans feel the same way but California is a place where you can represent the state as a whole and at the same time still ride for your home city.
 
Old 07-28-2017, 03:54 PM
 
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Klay Thompson is a Top 15 NBA player today.

The disrespect that man gets is criminal. Unbelievable that none of Nike, Adidas, or Under-Armor didn't reach out to him about a shoe deal and that instead he had to take an offer by some Chinese shoe brand called Anta. He's too solid. Him, Kevin Durant, and Carmelo Anthony are the most dynamic scorers I've ever seen among the current NBA players in the league right now. Kobe was like that too, but he's retired now. Yes, these guys are more impressive than Stephen Curry, Kyrie Irving, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, and that midget Isaiah Thomas at pure scoring.

Klay is the same dude that went off for 52 points against the Sacramento Kings, scoring 37 of those points in a single quarter. His opponent, DeMarcus Cousins said after the game when asked why the Kings couldn't stop him "God touched his hand, how can you stop that?".

Then he showed the world again the next year in the Western Conference Finals against Oklahoma City. It was Games 5, 6, AND 7 when the Thunder were up in the closing frame and about to knock the Warriors off and eliminate them. A Klay Thompson hot shooting streak started and it salvaged all three games enough to the point where the Warriors eeked their way past the Thunder (though it simultaneously helps that Westbrook and Durant both soiled a king sized mattress and choked all 3 close-out games away as well). Kevin Durant has this to say after the series "how can you stop a guy whose hand is possessed by God?".

Then the next season where Klay just goes off for 60 points in just 29 minutes of game time.

Carmelo Anthony is another guy that's been able to just go off like that. Remember the game where Carmelo scored over 50 points, without a single turnover, and even more impressively, without a single bucket in the paint, all his points were deep 2s and 3s. His 62 point career high where he scored 32 in a single quarter. His 7 game streak of scoring over 40 points in consecutive games.

Then there's Kevin Durant, probably the best pure scorer by skill in the NBA today. He can get his points every way, free throw, 3s, midrange, paint shots, layups, dunks, long range 3s and he does it with an elite shooting efficiency. He's a 50-40-90 Club Member after all.

All I'm trying to say is that Klay's value is always overlooked. He's easily one of the Top 15 players in the NBA, you could make an argument Top 10 and he's only 26, will improve enormously. Two-way player and a cerebral player. I'm glad that 3 years ago the Warriors rejected the Klay Thompson for Kevin Love trade and that this summer they rejected the Klay Thompson for Paul George trade. In both cases, they would've unnecessarily downgraded in talent for god knows what reason.

Klay's my second favorite Warrior player after Kevin Durant, both are in my top 5 favorite NBA players in the league today (Kevin Durant is #1).
Don't forget about Tracy Mcgrady either.

The last 20 years we've had some of the greatest scorers ever outside of Micheal & Wilt.

Klay is the type of player who'll be worshipped after his career is finally over. Top 10 SG in history for sure
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