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Old 02-22-2018, 05:25 PM
 
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You’re arguing points that were never raised. No one argued that Curry DOESN’T make more difficult shots. Within this 3 ball centered era, he is essentially the first of his kind when it comes to shooting difficult shots in volume. However, that doesn’t mean that he’s twice the shooter when it comes to set shots.

Just like we saw with players idolizing Jordan, there’s many kids out there now trying to pattern their game after Curry. Is he something that will never be seen again or is he just the beginning of guards in a similar mold? We will find out. If you’re a kid built similar to Curry and don’t have lightning speed...develop unlimited range and be creative with getting your shot off (ala Trae Young).
We know Curry shoots assisted 3s at 48%, which would be #1 all-time as a career 3P%. We know that he is ridiculous at making set shots. He's even more ridiculous at making the more difficult off-the-dribble shots.

Trae Young hasn't played in the NBA yet. No one has yet played in the NBA with Curry's range and accuracy off of the dribble. That's why he's the NBA's GOAT shooter.
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:30 PM
 
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Don’t know. Show a high school highlight video of the Ball brothers to NBA players in the 80s and I bet they’d crap themselves. Curry spent endless amounts of time practicing all the shots he takes...others will be doing the same. Not saying there will be a wave of Curry’s, but probably more gunslingers that can hit difficult long range shots with accuracy.
Plenty of players tried to emulate MJ's aerials & his post work as a guard. The closest we saw in the NBA was Kobe, and now players have moved on to other styles. We're already seeing other NBA players (Harden, for example) try to emulate Curry's style. They are not doing it at the same accuracy, and they are not doing it with the same range.
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:43 PM
 
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We know Curry shoots assisted 3s at 48%, which would be #1 all-time as a career 3P%. We know that he is ridiculous at making set shots. He's even more ridiculous at making the more difficult off-the-dribble shots.

Trae Young hasn't played in the NBA yet. No one has yet played in the NBA with Curry's range and accuracy off of the dribble. That's why he's the NBA's GOAT shooter.
Which is why I mentioned him being the first player of that mold? What are guys like Korver, Thompson, Redick, etc shooting on catch and shoot 3s? I bet they are all tightly bunched up with Curry - I.e, not much difference between the best shooters when it comes to shooting spot up jumpers.
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Old 02-22-2018, 05:50 PM
 
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Plenty of players tried to emulate MJ's aerials & his post work as a guard. The closest we saw in the NBA was Kobe, and now players have moved on to other styles. We're already seeing other NBA players (Harden, for example) try to emulate Curry's style. They are not doing it at the same accuracy, and they are not doing it with the same range.
Harden is a contemporary of Curry. Wait 10-15 years before saying no one is doing it. And Harden’s 3 point shooting is the best of career. He’s #1 in makes and shooting 38.4%. I’d say he’s doing a decent Curry imitation.
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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Which is why I mentioned him being the first player of that mold? What are guys like Korver, Thompson, Redick, etc shooting on catch and shoot 3s? I bet they are all tightly bunched up with Curry - I.e, not much difference between the best shooters when it comes to shooting spot up jumpers.
Klay shoots a career 42.3% & 94% of his 3s are catch & shoot.
Redick shoots a career 41.4% & 91% of his 3s are catch & shoot.
Korver shoots a career 43.1% & 96.5% of his 3s are catch & shoot.

For all three of those players, virtually all of their 3s are catch & shoot, hence their 3P% is basically their catch & shoot percentage.

Curry shoots a career 43.6% & 61% of his 3s are catch & shoot. As of sometime last year, he was shooting 48% on catch & shoot 3s.


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Harden is a contemporary of Curry. Wait 10-15 years before saying no one is doing it. And Harden’s 3 point shooting is the best of career. He’s #1 in makes and shooting 38.4%. I’d say he’s doing a decent Curry imitation.
38.4% is 3% behind Curry this year & 5% behind Curry's career percentage. Curry is averaging the same number of makes on fewer attempts this year. The point stands: no NBA player has ever done what Curry is doing as a shooter.
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Old 02-22-2018, 06:42 PM
 
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Harden is a contemporary of Curry. Wait 10-15 years before saying no one is doing it. And Harden’s 3 point shooting is the best of career. He’s #1 in makes and shooting 38.4%. I’d say he’s doing a decent Curry imitation.
How is shooting 5.2% worse than Curry's career average, in a season that's not even over yet, mean he's doing a decent Curry imitation? At this point, nobody has any real statistical argument to make, and as a consequence we're just getting nonsense.

Some players are not "the first of their mold." Roger Federer is such an example. He's been on the scene since 2001. Where is the next Federer? In basketball, you had Dr. J, Air Jordan and Kobe all in succession. We haven't seen a next Federer because replicating something like touch and timing isn't very easy to do. Sometimes there's just an "only."
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Old 02-22-2018, 11:39 PM
 
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How is shooting 5.2% worse than Curry's career average, in a season that's not even over yet, mean he's doing a decent Curry imitation? At this point, nobody has any real statistical argument to make, and as a consequence we're just getting nonsense.
This season is the first that Harden has led the league in 3 pt attempts. We are nearly 60 games into an 82 game season and Harden is pretty much keeping pace with Curry when it comes to 3 pt shooting. If we went back to 2014, 2015, etc and I said within a few years there will be a player that attempts/makes more 3s than Curry you would’ve said “you’re insane” that’s not possible. Curry regularly led the league by about 50-80 makes.

Heck, ‘13-‘15 Curry was was a beast - the Federer of jump shooting. 600-646 attempts shooting 44%? Those are shooting stats that made him a savant that we “may never see again”. But would you believe that someone like Paul George is now having a typical ‘13-‘15 Steph Curry statistical season from behind the arc? George is on pace for around 600 attempts and he’s shooting 43.2%. That’s “insane” Steph Curry 3 pt stats from a few years back.

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Some players are not "the first of their mold." Roger Federer is such an example. He's been on the scene since 2001. Where is the next Federer? In basketball, you had Dr. J, Air Jordan and Kobe all in succession. We haven't seen a next Federer because replicating something like touch and timing isn't very easy to do. Sometimes there's just an "only."
A little premature to say “only” when the game has really only supported volume 3 pt shooters for about 5 years. In 2012 Ryan Anderson led the league by far with 422 3-pt attempts...now that wouldn’t even crack the top 20. Do you really think we won’t see more volume 3 pt shooters with the NBA heading toward the majority of shots attempted being 3 pointers? It was insane when Curry attempted 600 3s in 2013 - who knew that just 4 years later 11 players would be attempting 500+ 3s.

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Old 02-23-2018, 10:10 AM
 
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This season is the first that Harden has led the league in 3 pt attempts. We are nearly 60 games into an 82 game season and Harden is pretty much keeping pace with Curry when it comes to 3 pt shooting. If we went back to 2014, 2015, etc and I said within a few years there will be a player that attempts/makes more 3s than Curry you would’ve said “you’re insane” that’s not possible. Curry regularly led the league by about 50-80 makes.

Heck, ‘13-‘15 Curry was was a beast - the Federer of jump shooting. 600-646 attempts shooting 44%? Those are shooting stats that made him a savant that we “may never see again”. But would you believe that someone like Paul George is now having a typical ‘13-‘15 Steph Curry statistical season from behind the arc? George is on pace for around 600 attempts and he’s shooting 43.2%. That’s “insane” Steph Curry 3 pt stats from a few years back.

A little premature to say “only” when the game has really only supported volume 3 pt shooters for about 5 years. In 2012 Ryan Anderson led the league by far with 422 3-pt attempts...now that wouldn’t even crack the top 20. Do you really think we won’t see more volume 3 pt shooters with the NBA heading toward the majority of shots attempted being 3 pointers? It was insane when Curry attempted 600 3s in 2013 - who knew that just 4 years later 11 players would be attempting 500+ 3s.
Paul George is shooting less than 8/game and 81% are assisted (and 21% of his 3s are from the short corner). Spot up shooting is not in Curry's mold. Ever since Curry started shooting 600+ 3s a season, he has been doing it at 50-60% assisted--way more off-the-dribble 3s than anyone but Harden.

Curry was also better from range in '16 than '13-'15, and '17 & '18 have been right on par with '13-'15. Shooting off the bounce is harder than spot up shooting. It also warps defenses in a totally different way.
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Old 02-23-2018, 12:05 PM
 
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This season is the first that Harden has led the league in 3 pt attempts. We are nearly 60 games into an 82 game season and Harden is pretty much keeping pace with Curry when it comes to 3 pt shooting. If we went back to 2014, 2015, etc and I said within a few years there will be a player that attempts/makes more 3s than Curry you would’ve said “you’re insane” that’s not possible. Curry regularly led the league by about 50-80 makes.
What was "insane" about Curry two years ago was not only the amount of 3 pointers he made (you've clearly dismissed every other metric since we've been hyper-focused on this one in particular), but also the fact he shot 50% from the field. He's been one of the most consistent shooters from all areas of the floor and the FT line, not just the 3 point line. The only shooter we can say has ever been statistically better is probably Nash since he had four 50/40/90 seasons.
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Old 02-23-2018, 12:14 PM
 
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Paul George is shooting less than 8/game and 81% are assisted (and 21% of his 3s are from the short corner). Spot up shooting is not in Curry's mold. Ever since Curry started shooting 600+ 3s a season, he has been doing it at 50-60% assisted--way more off-the-dribble 3s than anyone but Harden.

Curry was also better from range in '16 than '13-'15, and '17 & '18 have been right on par with '13-'15. Shooting off the bounce is harder than spot up shooting. It also warps defenses in a totally different way.
Curry attempted 8.1/game or less up until 2015 and he was being considered GOAT 3 pt shooter because no other player had ever attempted that many while making 40%+. The point is that NO ONE would’ve thought other players would shoot and make as many 3s as Curry did when he was breaking records for attempts and makes just a few years ago. Now there are several players attempting ~600 3s at around 40%.

Who cares what kind of 3s they are. The point is that Curry’s unthinkable volume and accuracy from 2013-2015 is being somewhat replicated by players who previously weren’t in the same realm as Curry when it comes to volume/accuracy.

Transplant Paul George’s 2018 season from behind the arc to 2014 or 2015 and he’s a Mt Rushmore long range shooter.
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