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Old 04-11-2018, 06:50 PM
 
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Do you ever stick to the arguments that are actually made? I said that the viewership for the NBA and NCAA are going in two different directions. That's not the same as saying that the NCAA is in full blown crisis mode.
Well aww shucks, you might as well say that viewership for college basketball and professional bowling are going in different directions. Different products. NBA is more soap opera on the international stage. What rule changes do you purpose that will have people flocking to see regular season college games chocked full of players they’ve never heard of?

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And yes, regular season viewership for college hoops has been declining for some time now.



NCAA Tournament Ratings Tie 9-Year Low - Sports Media Watch

It's even clear you didn't bother to read your own cite, or at least didn't Google very diligently because evidence of a ratings decline is not hard to find. The title in that article clearly says "Most Watched In 24 Years, Through the First Sunday." Last I checked, the NCAA tournament has three weekends of basketball, not one.
Yikes, a 9 yr low that coincides with more and more people dropping cable. Say it ain’t so. And LOL, your quote says ESPN ratings were down after RECORD numbers in 13-14.

Here’s another saying record numbers is last year’s final four: https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...ings-increases

Of course NCAA tourney ratings will swing week to week - it’s highly dependent on what teams are left playing.


Title of article: “NCAA Tournament Down From Last Year, Up From ’16[/quote]Do I really need to comment?



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The NBA has always been a star-driven League. It was a star-driven League during the Bird-Magic era, it was a star-driven League during the Jordan era, and it was a star-driven League during the Iverson-Kobe-Shaq era. The explanation for the NBA's rising viewership in recent years can't be simply "they got so many starzzz" because "starzz" is the dummy variable here. The NBA's ratings were in decline for 5 consecutive seasons starting in 2001. There was plenty of star power then (Shaq, Iverson, Kobe, T-Mac, young Lebron and Carmelo, Wade, KG, Duncan, etc.). So having stars is no guarantee that your trendline will be on the up and up.
Ratings are always going up or down - you’re trying to take a snippet of time and say “see...NBA ratings have nothing to do with starzzz because ratings were down in 2001”. It’s a silly argument.


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College hoops needs to undergo some of the same rule changes the NBA did. Whereas the NBA loosened rules on illegal defense, allowing some variations of traditional zone defenses, the NCAA needs to move away from pure zones that allow bigs to post up in the lane indefinitely. They could also extend the 3 point line farther back to open up the passing game. They could also bring the shot clock in line with the NBA's as well as the amount of time allotted to bring the ball into the front court. There are all kinds of rule changes that can be made to enhance the quality of play. The NBA did it. There's no reason why the NCAA can't if so inclined.
So less bigs posting up, the 3 pt line moved back about a foot and ~6 seconds off the shot clock = ratings bonanza? Did it ever occur to you that college talent isn’t equivalent to NBA talent? You do know that there’s even less parity in college hoops, right? Who’s to say these rule changes don’t HURT ratings?

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Did you have one to begin with?
I take it you’ve given up on the college coaches suck argument and now you’ve moved on to “college hoops needs to be like NBA to get the ratingzzz”.
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Old 04-11-2018, 07:03 PM
 
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BTW - doesn’t the G league play by NBA rules? Anyone dying to watch those games? Poetry in motion compared to college hoops, right? Err, umm, I’d rather watch the #80 college team play the #120 team. LOL.
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Old 04-12-2018, 06:11 PM
 
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I was glad to see Villanova win. They have so many three-point shooters on their team.
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Old 04-12-2018, 07:57 PM
 
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As Eddie attested, ratings are in constant flux. Final Four ratings were up sharply last year. Down this year. TV ratings are better for the Tournament and the Final 4 than comparable postseason NBA games, or about the same.

A lot of different things at play, among which of course contingent on teams, players, and types of storylines involved. Regular season NCAA games are another matter. They never have been good because of divided loyalties among a large spectrum of competitive programs and the insignificance of the regular season. The NCAA has done a terrible job of advertising anything but March and the selection committee has done such a poor job of seeding and indicating that conference results don't matter in terms of pecking order, it just marginalizes the regular season further. Speaking of, the seismic shift of schools bolting for other conferences has destroyed some rivalries.

And compelling out-of-conference games on-campus are few and far between. The Maui Invitational is special, or say the one day spectacle like the Hoosier Classic featuring a doubleheader among Purdue, Butler, Indiana, and ND in Indy. But too many glamour games are set in neutral arenas far from either campus with zero atmosphere, and of course not much magnitude, if any. How advertisers and sponsors are still willing to showcase tons of these games and a return $$ is expected for them and the schools, I have no earthly idea. That's my opinion, besides the cord cutting, for down trending regular season ratings. Coaches are innovating all the time anyways. More dramatic changes in terms of rules are always possible at some point in time. But the fact that there hasn't been any except a further 5 second shot clock reduction, isn't indicative of people caring or not caring.
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Old 04-15-2018, 03:37 PM
 
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The next thing you know, I am going to have to hear claims how the NCAA should adopt the NBA rule of being able to advance the ball to mid court in the last minute of a game if the team calls a timeout. That's as stupid and unnecessary of a rule in all of team sports I've come across.
And wouldn't you know it, I just saw the highlight of the Celtics playoff game that went to OT after a buzzer beater 3 to offset what was presumed to be a game winner by the Celtics with .5 seconds remaining. Insipidly stupid rule that corrupts the logic of the game. Fake drama. No integrity. Mickey Mouse ball.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:05 PM
 
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Good article on ESPN.com by John Gasaway pertaining to Duke and Kentucky and those one-and-done players and high recruiting classes each year:

Duke, Kentucky and the limits of one-and-done rosters

It's mostly stuff we already know, but lays it out in a concise manner on why you basically need to catch "lightning in a bottle" to win the National Title with a majority of freshman starters.
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