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Old 03-26-2018, 05:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by rigas View Post
Yes, comparing curry to Jordan in any way is just ****ing silly.
That’s the bottom line.

I mean let’s make other silly comparisons, like how many rebounds did Jordan average in the 1996 finals vs how many did Tim Duncan average in the 2003 finals. It’s just ****ing silly.


You get it now?
Yes, you like to call everything you don't like "silly".
Nothing wrong with that.
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Old 03-26-2018, 11:29 AM
 
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On the big stage, their 3PT% is close.

Curry NBA Finals 3PT%:
76 of 194 = .392

Michael Jordan NBA Finals 3PT%:
42 of 114 = .368
Now we have some impressively bad statistical reasoning to start this thread. Sad.

In case you don't understand your main error: SSS--Small Sample Size.

I also like that your thread title is glaringly inaccurate.

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And even though 2 of Jordan's NBA Finals (1996 and 1997) were played with the shorter NBA 3-point-line, I think we can off-set that by the fact that Curry plays in a weaker defensive era, tailor-made for guards, and with no hand-checking etc.
And compounding the problem, we have some poor basketball analysis. The defensive era is simply different now than it was then. A better analysis is that the 90s were tailor-made for ISO post-up players, as help defense was much more limited in the pre-zone era.

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Here are the 2 NBA Finals MJ played with a shorter 3-point-line....
1996: 6 of 19
1997: 8 of 25
So if we subtract those years from his overall NBA Finals....
28 of 70 = .400
I like the compounding of statistical errors: if you get results you don't like, throw out the statistics that create those results.

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Yep, and Jordan got more attention in the paint/post and didn't look any worse in the NBA Finals than he looked in the regular season.
Whereas Curry's game - or his specialty of 3-point-shooting - sees a decline in the NBA Finals.
In fact Kyrie Irving had higher PPG, FG% and 3pt% than Curry in the 2016 and 2017 NBA Finals.
Curry draws defensive attention with and without the ball--inside the arc and outside of it.

In re: Kyrie--Curry has been a more efficient scorer in every Finals than Kyrie. And Curry is a point guard, with floor general duties that Kyrie never had. Curry's game is complete--he is Steve Nash with a more aggressive scoring mentality.

Curry scored more efficiently in each of his 3 Finals appearances than MJ in the 2nd 3-peat--is Curry a more efficient scorer than Jordan? Your reasoning suggests that he is.

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I'm only comparing them in terms of 3-point-shooting in the NBA Finals, and its close.
And Jordan would probably have an even higher 3pt% if he attempted more, because he's known for being a rhythm shooter from downtown.

Plus its impossible to compare them, because Jordan is so massively far ahead in every measure of greatness (apart from 3-point-shooting), so that's why I chose to compare only their 3-point-shooting so it'd be a close comparison (at least percentage wise) in the NBA Finals.
This one's great: I have literally no eidence, but I'm sure Jordan would shoot better from 3 if he took more shots from 3.

You could compare TS% in the Finals, which accounts for the value of 3s vs. 2s & FTs as well. In that case, you would go: Curry '17->MJ '92->MJ '91->Curry '15->Curry '16->MJ '93->MJ '96->MJ '97->MJ '98

Your reckoning appears to show that MJ's #1 skill--scoring--is worse on the biggest stage than a skill that Curry has but isn't primary. Or perhaps we should recognize what is clear: two great players, decades apart, produce great numbers. MJ won 6 titles in two groupings of 3, leading all-time great Bulls teams. Curry has won 2 out of 3 consecutive appearances, leading all-time great Warriors teams. Curry is an active player who just turned 30. MJ is a retired player who played 15 seasons.

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^ Comparing any player in the past to any player in the present is silly?
Comparing NBA Finals performances is silly?
Narrowing the comparison to one category is silly?
Your post makes no sense, or else you'd be calling every comparison on every forum "silly".
Your reasoning is silly, thus your posts are silly.
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Old 03-26-2018, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Curry's game is complete--he is Steve Nash with a more aggressive scoring mentality.
I wouldn't describe Curry this way at all. Nash was a floor general in the mold of a Chris Paul or Jason Kidd. I'd say Curry is more similar to Irving than he is to Nash.
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Old 03-26-2018, 05:23 PM
 
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I wouldn't describe Curry this way at all. Nash was a floor general in the mold of a Chris Paul or Jason Kidd. I'd say Curry is more similar to Irving than he is to Nash.
And that is why you don't understand Steph Curry's game.
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Old 03-27-2018, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Land of the Great Bears
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Yes, you like to call everything you don't like "silly".
Nothing wrong with that.
Your premise is silly. Usually, Jordan wasn't even the best three point shooter on his team. That would have been Kerr, Hodges, or Paxon. How do you think he'd do in a three point shooting contest against contemporaries such as Reggie Miller, Larry Bird, or Ray Allen? No contest.
Jordan usually got good looks out there due to his more devastating threat of blowing by his man.

Curry is a much better three point shooter than Jordan, playing in an era where individual and team defense is generally stronger than the 90's, not weaker.
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Old 03-27-2018, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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And that is why you don't understand Steph Curry's game.
You're right. People on the East Coast never get to see the Golden State Warriors play.
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Old 03-27-2018, 02:11 PM
 
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You're right. People on the East Coast never get to see the Golden State Warriors play.
Some people can see without understanding.
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Old 03-28-2018, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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On the big stage, their 3PT% is close.

Curry NBA Finals 3PT%:
76 of 194 = .392

Michael Jordan NBA Finals 3PT%:
42 of 114 = .368
Jordan appeared in 35 finals games; Curry has been in 18. So Jordan took 3.2 3 pt shots per game. Curry has taken 10.7 per game, or about 3 times as many.


The more shots taken, the higher the degree of difficulty. Curry is obviously taking shots from deep that Jordan would have passed up. Hence it is not fair to compare Jordan's .368 to Curry's .392. Also Curry's career 3pt% is .436, so it is likely that his .392 number will go up by the end of his career. (Jordan's career pct. was .327%).
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