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Old 05-30-2018, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player that has ever lived. That being said, he beat up on stacked teams en-route to his 6 rings.
In the East or the West?
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Old 05-30-2018, 11:55 PM
 
Location: So California
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Jordan beat the best of the best, so he is the best.

LeBron James is the best player of the J.V. Team league which is the NBA Eastern Conference.

LeBron is the King of Junior Varsity Basketball and that is it.

Michael Jordan will always be >> LeBron James.

Deal with that, put it in your pipe and smoke it or whatever else it is you do.


All true. Lebron's claim to fame is 8 finals appearances, but you have to account for most of that time the Eastern Conference has been atrocious. If the Cavs and or Heat were in the west, he would probably have made it 2-3 times.


Lebron has gotten much much better the last few years, but Jordan was a much better player.
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Old 05-31-2018, 08:12 AM
 
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LeBron James is bigger, stronger, a better shooter and passer. In his fifteenth season, he is still CLEARLY the best player in the league. In Jordan’s 15th season, he was leading the Wizards into the lottery. It’s a shame these two great players never overlapped. No will never know which one was better at basketball.
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Old 05-31-2018, 09:00 AM
 
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LeBron James is bigger, stronger, a better shooter and passer. In his fifteenth season, he is still CLEARLY the best player in the league. In Jordanís 15th season, he was leading the Wizards into the lottery. Itís a shame these two great players never overlapped. No will never know which one was better at basketball.
Argument fail. Jordan needed fewer seasons to accomplish more than Lebron. Might be a debate if MJ retires after 93 and never returns. That Ď88 season probably gives guns the edge though...MVP, DPOY, #1 in steals, #1 in scoring, Slam Dunk champion, All Star game MVP.

If MJ retires in 93 his career stat line at 29 years old is:

Regular season - 32.3 ppg/6.3 rpg/5.9 apg/2.7 spg
Playoffs - 34.7 ppg/6.7 rpg/6.6 apg/2.3 spg

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Old 06-01-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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LeBron has never won a ring without an all-star teammate.
Jordan won the 1991 championship without an all-star teammate.
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Old 06-01-2018, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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LeBron has never won a ring without an all-star teammate.
Jordan won the 1991 championship without an all-star teammate.
Uh, only a future hall of famer in Scottie Pippen who averaged 21,9,6,3,1 in those playoffs while being the best defender on the team. The other starters Cartwright, Grant and Paxson were ideal fits for Jordan's skills. Lebron has never had such a tailor-made team.

There have always been plenty of NBA all-stars whose numbers didn't equate to winning.
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Old 06-01-2018, 02:36 PM
 
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Uh, only a future hall of famer in Scottie Pippen who averaged 21,9,6,3,1 in those playoffs while being the best defender on the team. The other starters Cartwright, Grant and Paxson were ideal fits for Jordan's skills. Lebron has never had such a tailor-made team.

There have always been plenty of NBA all-stars whose numbers didn't equate to winning.
That's true, Pippen's worst playoffs were when he was an all-star,
1995-96 = 16.9ppg .390fg .638ft .286treys 8.5rpg 5.9apg
1997-98 = 16.8ppg .415fg .679ft .228treys 7.1rpg 5.2apg
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Old 06-02-2018, 04:26 AM
 
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And when they got to the NBA Finals, Pippen was even worse-
1996 NBA Finals = 15.7ppg .343fg .708ft .231treys 8.2rpg 5.3apg
1998 NBA Finals = 15.7ppg .410fg .833ft .231treys 6.8rpg 4.8apg

And that's not a mistake....Pippen scored exactly 15.7ppg and .231treys in both those NBA Finals.
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Old 06-02-2018, 06:07 AM
 
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And when they got to the NBA Finals, Pippen was even worse-
1996 NBA Finals = 15.7ppg .343fg .708ft .231treys 8.2rpg 5.3apg
1998 NBA Finals = 15.7ppg .410fg .833ft .231treys 6.8rpg 4.8apg

And that's not a mistake....Pippen scored exactly 15.7ppg and .231treys in both those NBA Finals.
Don’t try to downplay Pippen’s rebound and assess numbers.

Jordan 1996. .415fg .316three 5.3 boards 4.2 assists
Jordan 1998: .427fg .308three 4 boards 2.3 assists

Lebron would get swept if he put up numbers like that. MJ shot .316 from three in 1996 with the short three-point line. LOL. LeBron has do the Jordan work and the Pippen work.
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Old 06-02-2018, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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I do not have time to wade through all 12 pages of this thread, but here are my thoughts looking back as a big basketball fan during the eighties and nineties.

The Bulls beat some very good albeit not great teams in the finals in the Trailblazers (92), Suns (93), Sonics (96) and Jazz (97 & 98). They also faced and defeated some very solid competition on the way to the finals, noting the Knicks (93), Magic (96), Heat (97) and Pacers (98).

Lone mark against the Jordan era Bulls, at least as I see it, is that they were not able to get over the hump and make it to the finals (in 1991) until the 'Bad Boy" Pistons regressed due to age and injury. The previous year with both teams in prime form and at the top of their respective games, the Pistons topped the Bulls in seven games during the conference finals. Which leads me to believe Jordan's Bulls might potentially be over-matched when facing competition from contemporaries of equal level (in comparison to the Pistons): and by that I am thinking the 'Showtime' Lakers, Bird's Celtics and potentially the Shaq/Kobie Lakers that followed.

Here is my take on things in terms of match ups:

1. If the Lakers in their prime can defeat the Pistons in their prime (7 games from 1988), and as already noted the prime Pistons defeat prime Bulls (7 games two years later), then the 'Showtime' Lakers, with Magic, Kareem and Worthy, more than likely defeat Jordan's Bulls (probably in 6 games).

2. If an injury depleted and running on fumes Celtics team from 1987 can defeat an at or near its peak Pistons team (in 7 games), and if that same Pistons team can top the Bulls (in conference finals in 1989 and 90), then I would take the all time great, deep as it gets 86 version to the Celtics to take out the Bulls, regardless of year of which 3-peat era.

This is just my humble opinion...
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