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Old 07-05-2018, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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He couldn't win until the Lakers, Celtics and Pistons got old. There were no great teams during his 90s reign. Not one. None of those Knicks teams was better than Dwight Howard's Orlando Magic.

I believe there are four reasonable answers to the GOAT question: Wilt, Kareem, MJ and Lebron. No wrong answers there, but Six-Rings Dogmatism is silly. The rings don't tell the story.
How can you say that Jordan won with stacked teams when he never played with a Superstar?? He never played with Shaq, Gary Payton, Dominque Wilkins, Patrick Ewing, etc. Too many people give Scotti Pippin too much credit. Scotti Pippin was a good player but he was never a superstar player. He's a great complimentary player to Jordan and he fitted in Phil Jackson's system well.

As great as Michael Jordan was, if he had played in this modern era of basketball, he stats would be even better than it was back then. The game today is a lot less physical and less hand checking. Michael Jordan would've took full advantage of that. Jordan could've easily average 40 points per game in the regular season and probably 50 points per game in the playoffs. Also when did LeBron ever win "1" championship without another Superstar by his side?

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Old 07-05-2018, 03:41 PM
 
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How can you say that Jordan won with stacked teams when he never played with a Superstar?? He never played with Shaq, Gary Payton, Dominque Wilkins, Patrick Ewing, etc. Too many people give Scotti Pippin too much credit. Scotti Pippin was a good player but he was never a superstar player. He's a great complimentary player to Jordan and he fitted in Phil Jackson's system well.

As great as Michael Jordan was, if he had played in this modern era of basketball, he stats would be even better than it was back then. The game today is a lot less physical and less hand checking. Michael Jordan would've took full advantage of that. Jordan could've easily average 40 points per game in the regular season and probably 50 points per game in the playoffs. Also when did LeBron ever win "1" championship without another Superstar by his side?
LOL

Pippen was absolutely a superstar--especially if you count Payton, Ewing, Wilkins, Kyrie, Love, or Wade when he played with LBJ as superstars. Pippen was the best perimeter defender of the 90s. He was a capable ball handler, passer, shooter, and slasher on offense.

Good teams play much better defense now than teams did in the 90s.
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Old 07-05-2018, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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LOL

Pippen was absolutely a superstar--especially if you count Payton, Ewing, Wilkins, Kyrie, Love, or Wade when he played with LBJ as superstars. Pippen was the best perimeter defender of the 90s. He was a capable ball handler, passer, shooter, and slasher on offense. .
Mr. Jordan, what is your reaction to his statement?
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Old 07-05-2018, 05:23 PM
 
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Mr. Jordan, what is your reaction to his statement?
So being a 1st team all NBA '94-'96 is not a superstar? Ok, you really know your stuff. Pippen was also a 2nd and 3rd team all NBA in the other years throughout the 90's. Guess Jordan is laughing at you in the video you posted.
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Old 07-05-2018, 05:25 PM
 
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How can you say that Jordan won with stacked teams when he never played with a Superstar?? He never played with Shaq, Gary Payton, Dominque Wilkins, Patrick Ewing, etc. Too many people give Scotti Pippin too much credit. Scotti Pippin was a good player but he was never a superstar player. He's a great complimentary player to Jordan and he fitted in Phil Jackson's system well.

As great as Michael Jordan was, if he had played in this modern era of basketball, he stats would be even better than it was back then. The game today is a lot less physical and less hand checking. Michael Jordan would've took full advantage of that. Jordan could've easily average 40 points per game in the regular season and probably 50 points per game in the playoffs. Also when did LeBron ever win "1" championship without another Superstar by his side?
Lebron won in 2012/2013 with Wade as a 3rd team all NBA. Hardly, a fair representation you are making.
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Old 07-05-2018, 05:59 PM
 
Location: The "Rock"
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Pippen was the 2nd best player in the NBA for a couple of years when he played with Jordan... I'm all for giving Jordan high praise and credit for all of HIS accomplishments. But you don't have to bash Pippen in order to give Jordan his due. At the end of the day... Jordan never won a title without Pippen, and Pippen never won without Jordan. So they are forever linked in history.
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Old 07-05-2018, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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How can you say that Jordan won with stacked teams when he never played with a Superstar?? He never played with Shaq, Gary Payton, Dominque Wilkins, Patrick Ewing, etc. Too many people give Scotti Pippin too much credit. Scotti Pippin was a good player but he was never a superstar player. He's a great complimentary player to Jordan and he fitted in Phil Jackson's system well.

As great as Michael Jordan was, if he had played in this modern era of basketball, he stats would be even better than it was back then. The game today is a lot less physical and less hand checking. Michael Jordan would've took full advantage of that. Jordan could've easily average 40 points per game in the regular season and probably 50 points per game in the playoffs. Also when did LeBron ever win "1" championship without another Superstar by his side?
Not to mention, in Jordanís era, every team had a big-strong athletic 7 foot rim protector. As you mentioned, hand checking, zone, and all around tougher play. Lebron would have had to have been a much better and more consistent jump shooter. Lebron literally just ducks his head and players part the sea to let him get to the rim with ease. There is no way Lebron would be able to get to the rim at will like he does now.
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Old 07-05-2018, 08:40 PM
 
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The numbers put their careers close in terms of production. Klay has just done it faster & Reggie has done it longer. In addition to production, Klay has won titles. I don't think Klay is as good as LeBron. I think Klay is as good as Reggie, and I think it's very fair to argue that Klay is better than Reggie. Klay is an elite defender in addition to producing offense on par with Reggie's. Klay has spent the last 4 years as a 30-35 minute starter on the best team in the league. That counts for something.
The heck with numbers. 3rd/4th fiddles donít get compared to leaders of consistent/50 win playoff teams. Thatís just the way it is.
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Old 07-06-2018, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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LOL

Pippen was absolutely a superstar--especially if you count Payton, Ewing, Wilkins, Kyrie, Love, or Wade when he played with LBJ as superstars. Pippen was the best perimeter defender of the 90s. He was a capable ball handler, passer, shooter, and slasher on offense.

Good teams play much better defense now than teams did in the 90s.
Funniest statement I've read in a while. Defense is complete garbage now. Hardly any 7 foot rim protectors in the league anymore, when in the 90s, EVERY team had one. Lebron James can literally duck his head and get to the rim whenever he wants to and players just get out of the way (watch some tape). Defense in the NBA today is an oxymoron and a complete joke.
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Old 07-06-2018, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Good teams play much better defense now than teams did in the 90s.
And we know this how?

Can these modern defenses really be that good when a kid who's a year or two removed from high school can come in and put up 20+ PPG on 44% shooting? I guess it's the AAU system that's given them so much more basketball skill and knowledge compared to anything Dean Smith could have offered in 3-4 years at UNC.
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