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Old 07-11-2018, 08:59 AM
 
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Wade didn't have to do as much when Lebron was on the team. Let's not forget that Chris Bosh was also on the team.
Ok. Now youíre talking about someone who was not even on the nba all team. Chris Bosh was a role player in Miami. Pippen was an all star. What donít you understand? Bosh is nowhere to be found on the nba all teams in 2012/2013. So again whatís your point.
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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I will ask you an even better question. When has Lebron ever won a championship without a stacked team?
Easy answer. For sure, 2016. No other NBA all teamers. You could almost say 2012/2013 as well. But I wonít since Wade was third team those years. Iíd say a stacked team is having at least 2 nba all teamers. History has shown that it takes at least 2 to win a title. The only team that has defied this was the 1989 Pistons I believe.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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Ok. Now youíre talking about someone who was not even on the nba all team. Chris Bosh was a role player in Miami. Pippen was an all star. What donít you understand? Bosh is nowhere to be found on the nba all teams in 2012/2013. So again whatís your point.
who cares...Bosh put up 24/11 on 52% shooting the season before joining the Heat. Wade 27/7/5. You donít need all NBA teams to know they were studs entering the 2011 season. Bosh was good enough to have his own team...maybe not a 50 win team but he couldíve been the #1 player on half the teams in the NBA.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:53 AM
 
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who cares...Bosh put up 24/11 on 52% shooting the season before joining the Heat. Wade 27/7/5. You donít need all NBA teams to know they were studs entering the 2011 season. Bosh was good enough to have his own team...maybe not a 50 win team but he couldíve been the #1 player on half the teams in the NBA.
Oh, great response Beaver. Where's Wally? The other poster is trying to compare the cast of characters with Jordan and Lebron. The fact is that Pippen was so much more of an all-star than Bosh was in those two years and the stats prove it, let alone the defensive prowess of Pippen. Bosh only averaged 11.9 points in the 2013 Finals. Pippen averaged 20 points in the 1997 Finals. Really enough said.

Bosh was a role player. Who cares what he did prior to arriving at the Heat. The assemblage of the Heat was an attempt at a Super-Team, but doubt anyone would argue that two titles will go down as being a Super Team.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:59 AM
 
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Oh, great response Beaver. Where's Wally? The other poster is trying to compare the cast of characters with Jordan and Lebron. The fact is that Pippen was so much more of an all-star than Bosh was in those two years and the stats prove it, let alone the defensive prowess of Pippen. Bosh only averaged 11.9 points in the 2013 Finals. Pippen averaged 20 points in the 1997 Finals. Really enough said.

Bosh was a role player. Who cares what he did prior to arriving at the Heat. The assemblage of the Heat was an attempt at a Super-Team, but doubt anyone would argue that two titles will go down as being a Super Team.
The Heatles were a great team--they just ran into a great San Antonio team and a deadly Mavs defense in the era before LBJ had a reliable jumper. Wade and Bosh accommodated LeBron--putting the ball in his hands is the right move. They were still elite two-way players.
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Old 07-11-2018, 12:03 PM
 
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The Heatles were a great team--they just ran into a great San Antonio team and a deadly Mavs defense in the era before LBJ had a reliable jumper. Wade and Bosh accommodated LeBron--putting the ball in his hands is the right move. They were still elite two-way players.
Not disagreeing that they were great, just not on the same level as Pippen. That's pretty much been proven. Big difference between elite and All NBA. Not sure why this is so hard to understand for some.
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Old 07-11-2018, 02:10 PM
 
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Not disagreeing that they were great, just not on the same level as Pippen. That's pretty much been proven. Big difference between elite and All NBA. Not sure why this is so hard to understand for some.
I don't see a huge gap between Heatles Wade & Pippen. Or between Bosh & Rodman/Grant. Wade was a better scorer and Pippen a better defender. Both were elite wings. Bosh was a much better offensive player than either Rodman or Grant. He was an excellent speed 5 for the Heatles' transition attack and an elite player in his own right.
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Old 07-11-2018, 04:18 PM
 
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I don't see a huge gap between Heatles Wade & Pippen. Or between Bosh & Rodman/Grant. Wade was a better scorer and Pippen a better defender. Both were elite wings. Bosh was a much better offensive player than either Rodman or Grant. He was an excellent speed 5 for the Heatles' transition attack and an elite player in his own right.
Again, not disagreeing that Wade and Bosh were elite. The point of an all NBA team in any given year is the competition that exists in that particular year. In both 2012/2013, only Wade was an All Teamer and only a 3rd team at that. I already said what Pippen was throughout the 90s and in many cases he was 1st team. So again, not sure why it's so hard to understand that having 2 NBA All teamers when the Bulls won is completely different than the Heat. So if you don't believe Pippen to be significantly better than Wade in 2012/2013 then the theory has been proven that the Bulls won in a weak era. Close the thread then, there has been resolution.
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Old 07-11-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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Again, not disagreeing that Wade and Bosh were elite. The point of an all NBA team in any given year is the competition that exists in that particular year. In both 2012/2013, only Wade was an All Teamer and only a 3rd team at that. I already said what Pippen was throughout the 90s and in many cases he was 1st team. So again, not sure why it's so hard to understand that having 2 NBA All teamers when the Bulls won is completely different than the Heat. So if you don't believe Pippen to be significantly better than Wade in 2012/2013 then the theory has been proven that the Bulls won in a weak era. Close the thread then, there has been resolution.
All-NBA Team isn't always a reflection on talent of the lack thereof. Typically, you need to play around 60 games to even have a shot. Kyrie Irving was an All-NBA player in 2015, but he only played 53 games the following season, and likely would have very easily beaten out Kyle Lowry for that spot had he been healthy the entire season. He certainly showed he was All-NBA that season in the Finals against the Warriors.
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Old 07-11-2018, 04:49 PM
 
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All-NBA Team isn't always a reflection on talent of the lack thereof. Typically, you need to play around 60 games to even have a shot. Kyrie Irving was an All-NBA player in 2015, but he only played 53 games the following season, and likely would have very easily beaten out Kyle Lowry for that spot had he been healthy the entire season. He certainly showed he was All-NBA that season in the Finals against the Warriors.
It's a pretty good indication. Ok, let's just leave it to your eyes and videos that you posted. That makes more sense. LMAO.
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