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Old 04-09-2018, 12:54 PM
 
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How's this era any stronger than Jordan's era? Serious question. Things are just distributed differently now.
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Old 04-09-2018, 01:58 PM
 
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How's this era any stronger than Jordan's era? Serious question. Things are just distributed differently now.
I always found it funny that some people say lebron beat better teams in the finals like golden State and San Antonio. They forget that he had to bail on his team twice after failure to join other stars in order to do it.
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Old 04-09-2018, 02:01 PM
 
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How's this era any stronger than Jordan's era? Serious question. Things are just distributed differently now.
That sort of ties into my post on the last page of the thread, was there ever a "strong era" in the history of the NBA and if so, when, mid to late 70's and early to mid 80's?

There's so many variables with rules chances, the style of play changing, expansion teams etc. over the decades.

Even though there has been only what, one new team in the last 23 years, there have been some awful and down right horrific non-expansion basketball teams during those years. If anything they should contract a few teams instead of ever thinking about expanding in the future, near or far!
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Old 04-09-2018, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Avondale, Chicago
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Rockets vs. Bulls 1994 - the greatest Finals that never was
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Old 04-09-2018, 02:10 PM
 
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Rockets vs. Bulls 1994 - the greatest Finals that never was
Do you think the Bulls could have won 8 straight if Jordan didn't retire?
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Old 04-09-2018, 05:11 PM
 
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Do you think the Bulls could have won 8 straight if Jordan didn't retire?
Great question. Assuming they kept their full team together I think the Bulls win the first one and lose the second.

Houston squeeked by the Knicks in the first finals, beat Orlando in 4 games the next year after adding Drexler. Olajuwon, Horry, Drexler, Kenny Smith etc. was an extremely tough squad.
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Old 04-09-2018, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Avondale, Chicago
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Do you think the Bulls could have won 8 straight if Jordan didn't retire?
The Rockets with Hakeem Olajuwon in his prime would have presented matchup problems for the Bulls that they did not face in any of their Finals opponents. The Bulls couldn't handle Shaq in the '95 second round with MJ on the floor. We all saw what Dream did to Shaq in the Finals.

Hakeem vs. Bill Cartwright or Luc Longley was going to be more of a mismatch in terms of scoring (and defense) than MJ vs. Vernon Maxwell or Clyde Drexler.

Honestly, my answer is no. Fight me.
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Old 04-10-2018, 10:08 AM
 
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You must be looking at points allowed per game which can be impacted by number of possessions.
Yeah, we were talking about two different things. My bad.
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Old 04-10-2018, 10:14 AM
 
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The Rockets with Hakeem Olajuwon in his prime would have presented matchup problems for the Bulls that they did not face in any of their Finals opponents. The Bulls couldn't handle Shaq in the '95 second round with MJ on the floor. We all saw what Dream did to Shaq in the Finals.

Hakeem vs. Bill Cartwright or Luc Longley was going to be more of a mismatch in terms of scoring (and defense) than MJ vs. Vernon Maxwell or Clyde Drexler.

Honestly, my answer is no. Fight me.
This. People like to pretend that series didn't happen. It did, Jordan played out of his mind (31/6.5/3.7 with 2.5 steals and 1.8 blocks), and they still lost. The commonly accepted narrative is that the Bulls lost because Jordan was rusty. He actually played out of his mind...by most measures, better than in the second three-peat, but he'd lost Grant, and hadn't gained Rodman, and couldn't get out of the second round.
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Old 04-10-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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Do you think the Bulls could have won 8 straight if Jordan didn't retire?
The easy answer is no. Health alone is a big enough question mark that no team can count on getting to and winning 8 consecutive titles. It has happened once in NBA history. Three consecutive deep playoff runs takes a toll on players' bodies and minds. That would only grow exponentially greater with further runs.

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The Rockets with Hakeem Olajuwon in his prime would have presented matchup problems for the Bulls that they did not face in any of their Finals opponents. The Bulls couldn't handle Shaq in the '95 second round with MJ on the floor. We all saw what Dream did to Shaq in the Finals.

Hakeem vs. Bill Cartwright or Luc Longley was going to be more of a mismatch in terms of scoring (and defense) than MJ vs. Vernon Maxwell or Clyde Drexler.

Honestly, my answer is no. Fight me.
The Rox after the Drexler acquisition would have been the most epic 90s Finals for the full strength Bulls. The basketball gods simply didn't see fit to deliver it. A close second would have been a rematch in '92 with Magic still in the league. Magic & year 2 Vlade were a fabulous combination, and it would have been great to see them together for a longer period of time--and Worthy was still playing at a really high level.

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This. People like to pretend that series didn't happen. It did, Jordan played out of his mind (31/6.5/3.7 with 2.5 steals and 1.8 blocks), and they still lost. The commonly accepted narrative is that the Bulls lost because Jordan was rusty. He actually played out of his mind...by most measures, better than in the second three-peat, but he'd lost Grant, and hadn't gained Rodman, and couldn't get out of the second round.
I agree--that team needed better post defense. I also don't know that Rodman would have made a difference in that series.
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