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Old 05-29-2018, 03:07 PM
 
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Iggy is important to the Warriors so that they can run their "Hampton 5" lineup. That is their best defensive lineup.
No one is saying that Iggy isn't an integral feature. But they still have no business losing to any team with or without Iggy. Nor does Iggy occupy the same value on his team, and in this league, that CP3 does. Just stop it.

You guys are essentially saying that the Warriors are vulnerable when their 5th best player isn't playing. What a laughable statement.
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Old 05-29-2018, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Does anyone seriously believe that the Cavs are the biggest NBA Finals underdogs in 16 seasons?

Cleveland Cavaliers open as big underdogs to Golden State Warriors in Las Vegas
Everyone believes that. It’s 1 all-star vs. 4

Cavs only hope is to win 1 game, gifted by the refs.
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Old 05-29-2018, 03:40 PM
 
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Again what do you think it does to a players concentration to be up against one of the best teams in the NBA and then have what could have been a 20 lead stolen from you by the refs bad refereeing in the final game of the series where you don't get a next game? That was a huge momentum shift for the Rockets and the players certainly showed their WTF is going on here look each time a ref ignored blatant calls.

20 point opportunities being taken away from a team creates a momentum shift and is a game changer just as what we observed in this game.

Yep that's pretty sad indeed.
The salty tears are delicious. It is particularly delicious coming from a fan of a team that has two of the most notorious floppers in the NBA.

Curry got one whistle on a drive in the series and he got contact often. The refs missed stepunder fouls on multiple KD 3s in Game 7. Capela and Tucker got away with over-the-backs that generated second-chance opportunities. Harden got away with warding and pushing off defenders dozens of times in the series.

Officials don't call all of the fouls that happen in an NBA game. What you are talking about were not game-defining no-calls--like the LBJ goaltend that wasn't called at the end of Game 5 against the Pacers. The Rockets got 3 fouls on Klay Thompson in the first 3.5 minutes of Game 7 at home. They missed 27 straight 3s. They lost this basketball game--it was winnable, and they lost.

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No one is saying that Iggy isn't an integral feature. But they still have no business losing to any team with or without Iggy. Nor does Iggy occupy the same value on his team, and in this league, that CP3 does. Just stop it.

You guys are essentially saying that the Warriors are vulnerable when their 5th best player isn't playing. What a laughable statement.
The guy plays 28 minutes a night in the playoff rotation and missed 4 games. CP3 plays 37 minutes a night and missed 2 games. Injuries happen.
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Old 05-29-2018, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Two years ago it seemed most casual NBA fans in NYC wanted the Warriors to win. Now it seems nearly everyone will be cheering against them.
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Old 05-29-2018, 03:54 PM
 
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The salty tears are delicious. It is particularly delicious coming from a fan of a team that has two of the most notorious floppers in the NBA.
LOL I don't get tearful over sports...that's just your personal narrative that you are trying to ascribe to me.
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Officials don't call all of the fouls that happen in an NBA game.
Of course they don't but when you are in the final game of a playoff serious you don't let blatant fowls go as they did yesterday. Those were game defining fowls since they drastically changed the game and kept the Rockets away from 20 deserved points.
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Old 05-29-2018, 03:56 PM
 
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The salty tears are delicious. It is particularly delicious coming from a fan of a team that has two of the most notorious floppers in the NBA.

Curry got one whistle on a drive in the series and he got contact often. The refs missed stepunder fouls on multiple KD 3s in Game 7. Capela and Tucker got away with over-the-backs that generated second-chance opportunities. Harden got away with warding and pushing off defenders dozens of times in the series.

Officials don't call all of the fouls that happen in an NBA game. What you are talking about were not game-defining no-calls--like the LBJ goaltend that wasn't called at the end of Game 5 against the Pacers. The Rockets got 3 fouls on Klay Thompson in the first 3.5 minutes of Game 7 at home. They missed 27 straight 3s. They lost this basketball game--it was winnable, and they lost.

Show the video of all the missed fouls on Curry like the other guy did.



Playoff games should be called in exactly the same manner as regular season games.



But you're right - if the Rockets shoot 30% on 3's, they win easy. If they simply make their free throws, it's a tight game. The Rockets were good enough to win but they didn't execute. The fatal flaw for the Rockets was their inability to make in-game adjustments.
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Old 05-29-2018, 04:12 PM
 
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Show the video of all the missed fouls on Curry like the other guy did.

Playoff games should be called in exactly the same manner as regular season games.

But you're right - if the Rockets shoot 30% on 3's, they win easy. If they simply make their free throws, it's a tight game. The Rockets were good enough to win but they didn't execute. The fatal flaw for the Rockets was their inability to make in-game adjustments.
You can watch the missed fouls during the game. Curry routinely finishes through contact and never gets calls that other superstars get. That happened in this series. Ryan Anderson handchecked him at least 7 times in 9 minutes and was only whistled for one foul. The amount of grabbing and holding defenders routinely get away with off-ball against Curry is insane in comparison to other stars. A big part of Harden's game is forcing officials to make calls. I think that is a major factor in his comparative struggles in the playoffs. NBA officials have always let more contact go in the playoffs, and defenses have always amped up intensity in the playoffs. Driving and shooting for the finish instead of for the contact is a necessary evolution for Harden's game if he is to take the next step. That, and/or becoming a competitor on the defensive end.
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Old 05-29-2018, 04:21 PM
 
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The guy plays 28 minutes a night in the playoff rotation and missed 4 games. CP3 plays 37 minutes a night and missed 2 games. Injuries happen.
Ok? What are you actually debating then? Injuries do happen. I never said anything related to that. I said all injuries aren't the same. CP3 doesn't equal Iggy.

Let me be clear: CP3 in the lineup didn't guarantee a series win for Houston. And Iggy's absence certainly effected GS. However, CP3's absence was a far bigger loss for Houston than Iggy's injury for GS. That is all.
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Old 05-29-2018, 04:27 PM
 
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Ok? What are you actually debating then? Injuries do happen. I never said anything related to that. I said all injuries aren't the same. CP3 doesn't equal Iggy.

Let me be clear: CP3 in the lineup didn't guarantee a series win for Houston. And Iggy's absence certainly effected GS. However, CP3's absence was a far bigger loss for Houston than Iggy's injury for GS. That is all.
Games 4 & 5 were Houston wins by 4 points. Iguodala is good enough to swing a game more than 4 points. So I don't know why CP3's absence for 2 games is bigger than Iguodala's for 4. They're both important players. CP3 has a bigger role, but Iguodala missed more time. And the Warriors are thin at the wing. The Rockets have another top flight point guard and a 6th man scoring guard to create offense. Without Iguodala, the Warriors either have to play more bigs (who are liabilities against Houston) or give more minutes to Shaun Livingston (clearly on his last legs and not playing well) or to Nick Young--who is Nick Young.
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Old 05-29-2018, 04:36 PM
 
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Games 4 & 5 were Houston wins by 4 points. Iguodala is good enough to swing a game more than 4 points. So I don't know why CP3's absence for 2 games is bigger than Iguodala's for 4. They're both important players. CP3 has a bigger role, but Iguodala missed more time. And the Warriors are thin at the wing. The Rockets have another top flight point guard and a 6th man scoring guard to create offense. Without Iguodala, the Warriors either have to play more bigs (who are liabilities against Houston) or give more minutes to Shaun Livingston (clearly on his last legs and not playing well) or to Nick Young--who is Nick Young.
So essentially, we're debating whether the 5th best player on a two time championship team is just as, if not, more essential to his team than Houston's team captain/all star/hof point guard?

We can agree to disagree.
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