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Old 06-11-2018, 11:07 PM
 
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what did I tell y'all

Money and 'talent' trumps everything on both sides.


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Old 06-12-2018, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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what did I tell y'all

Money and 'talent' trumps everything on both sides.


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I’m from San Antonio, we need to pay this man all the money he ever wanted. Make him a damn part owner in the organization if we have to. We won the lottery to get Duncan and we won the lottery again to get Leonard, who basically single handily beat Lebron James who was with the Heat

He’s so good he’s top 3 in the world even without more than 1 ring.

Lebron might have 3 more rings by now if they drafted him instead of Tristan Thompson (obviously hindsight is 20/20)
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Old 06-12-2018, 12:17 PM
 
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Risky paying this dude that much. He sat out an entire season although doctors were stating he was fine to play. He didn't even attend the playoff games. He is not a leader.

The Spurs have a lot of redevelopment to do. Duncan is gone. Manu, Pau, and Tony are in their last hurrah.

Your main stars are LaMarcus Aldridge and Kawhi. Poppavich is up in the air with his wife passing. He could retire next year.
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:58 AM
 
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Risky paying this dude that much. He sat out an entire season although doctors were stating he was fine to play. He didn't even attend the playoff games. He is not a leader.

The Spurs have a lot of redevelopment to do. Duncan is gone. Manu, Pau, and Tony are in their last hurrah.

Your main stars are LaMarcus Aldridge and Kawhi. Poppavich is up in the air with his wife passing. He could retire next year.
Not risky at all. Hes the sole reason the spurs got their 5th ring
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Old 06-13-2018, 12:22 PM
 
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Not risky at all. He’s the sole reason the spurs got their 5th ring
LOL @ the sole reason.

Dude, the team had their Big 3 in 2014 win: Duncan, Parker and Manu.
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:36 PM
 
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LOL @ the sole reason.

Dude, the team had their Big 3 in 2014 win: Duncan, Parker and Manu.
And one of those guys are now retired.

LOL the Big 3.

You mean the geriatric 3. We would've lost to Lebron without Leonard defending him and scoring points.
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:52 PM
 
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I am not a Spurs fan, but as an outside observer, the Spurs really are in a bind here and have a monumental decision to make on Leonard.
On one hand, he obviously is a remarkably gifted player, and one who coaches drool about playing for them. He is an unselfish player who plays great defense along with his offense....a coaches dream combination.
That being said, his disappearance this year is a nightmare to overcome. When does a player have the right to have his own group of advisors and friends dictate to him not to accept the opinions of team physicians.
A troubling scenario is this for the Spurs....say he does sign a max deal for them, and pulls the same act of his hat when he suffers his next injury.
I think when he meets with Popovich he will be asked if he can stay with team physicians and second opinions offered by the team for future injuries. If he answers positively and gives them assurance this act will not occur again, than I can see them signing him.
If he is vague and states that he reserves the right to make the same call again, than I do not know how the Spurs can take this risk....nor should they.
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Old 06-14-2018, 09:59 AM
 
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And one of those guys are now retired.

LOL the Big 3.

You mean the geriatric 3. We would've lost to Lebron without Leonard defending him and scoring points.
Averages for the Spurs in 2014 Finals: Parker 18, Kawhi 17.8, Duncan 15.4, Manu 14.4

Not bad for a geriatric 3. Kawhi shot 61%, and Duncan 56.9%

Contrast the Heat: LBJ 28.2, Wade 15.2, Bosh 14.0, total of 43.4 points

In 2013 Finals, the Heat top 3 averaged 25.3, 19.6 and 11.9, total of 56.8 points, while Spurs top 3 only averaged 49.2 points.


Now to the 2018 NBA Finals:

GSW: Durant 28.8, Curry 27.5, Klay 16, total of 72.3 points
Cavs: Lebron 34, Love 19, JR 9.5, total of 62.5 points

It's quite clear that no one player "solely" can win a championship. It takes the top 3-4 outscoring the other team's top 3-4. Sure Kawhi helped, but LBJ still average 28.2 and shot 57% from the field in 2014, very similar to Durant's latest NBA Finals MVP stats in 2018.
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:43 AM
 
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And one of those guys are now retired.

LOL the Big 3.

You mean the geriatric 3. We would've lost to Lebron without Leonard defending him and scoring points.
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Averages for the Spurs in 2014 Finals: Parker 18, Kawhi 17.8, Duncan 15.4, Manu 14.4

Not bad for a geriatric 3. Kawhi shot 61%, and Duncan 56.9%

Contrast the Heat: LBJ 28.2, Wade 15.2, Bosh 14.0, total of 43.4 points

In 2013 Finals, the Heat top 3 averaged 25.3, 19.6 and 11.9, total of 56.8 points, while Spurs top 3 only averaged 49.2 points.


Now to the 2018 NBA Finals:

GSW: Durant 28.8, Curry 27.5, Klay 16, total of 72.3 points
Cavs: Lebron 34, Love 19, JR 9.5, total of 62.5 points

It's quite clear that no one player "solely" can win a championship. It takes the top 3-4 outscoring the other team's top 3-4. Sure Kawhi helped, but LBJ still average 28.2 and shot 57% from the field in 2014, very similar to Durant's latest NBA Finals MVP stats in 2018.
Thank you TR95. I highly doubt Kawhi without the "geriatric 3" would have taken the spurs to the NBA finals in 2013. Look at the past season, the spurs went to the 1st round of the playoffs without their "Star".
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Old 06-14-2018, 11:37 AM
 
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Thank you TR95. I highly doubt Kawhi without the "geriatric 3" would have taken the spurs to the NBA finals in 2013. Look at the past season, the spurs went to the 1st round of the playoffs without their "Star".
Yep, just like LBJ can't win without 2 more players averaging 20 points per game or at least damn close to that. Hasn't been a Finals winner in so long without having that. Last was the 2012 and 2013 Heat. In 2012, Wade and Bosh combined to average 18.6 points and 2013 Wade and Bosh combined only average 15.8 points, but Ray Allen and Chalmers averaged 10.6 each. In 2014, no other Heat showed up except for LBJ, and they lost, not surprising.
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