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Old 05-29-2018, 10:30 AM
 
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Not really looking forward to the Finals. Was more of a Kobe fan but I respect Bron and Durant.

But we need a new team in Finals. Cavs can't beat Dubs cuz their defense is suspect at times and shooters too inconsistent....JR Smith the main one.

I really can't stand how Dubs are so lucky and always dealing with timely injuries to star pivotal players from opposing teams. No Irving or Love in 2015 with Bron's 2nd option Delly who was worn out by Game 3. In 2017, no Kawhi Leonard cuz Zaza took him out. In 2018, no Kawhi and playing a Spurs team that was a waste of a playoff space, playing a Demarcus Cousin less Pelicans with plenty of home cooking at the Oracle. Finally, in the WCF's, the Dubs get the luxury of playing last 2 games with no Chris Paul....and we know CP3 plays with heart and was pivotal in Games 4 and 5 and Rockets would've won with CP3. Now don't get me wrong, Rockets screwed up a ton last night with those missed 3's....and shot themselves out the game....but refs obviously wanted Warriros to win with all those missed calls on Rockets. Adam Silver probably made the call.

This is gonna be an awful sweep in Finals with scores like 128-88 Golden state and LeBron having 40 point games. Maybe Golden State will play good from start so those of us can turn this crap off early to get sleep early enough for work in the morning. Its gonna be an awful Finals...why would NBA management want this? Look at how it was last year, and that's when the Cavs had Kyrie Irving. LeBron might as well retire cuz he already got a lot of stains on his legacy and Warriors giving him the most trouble.
LOL--jilted Houston fan or just a run-of-the-mill Warriors hater?

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Excuses excuses.

The only reason why the Warriors won was because Paul was out and the 'fix' was in? How insulting.

The Warriors didn't have Iggy either.

The Warriors had 22 fouls and the Rockets 17.

It couldn't be that the Warrior intensity and defense disrupted the Rockets offense and caused them to miss a NBA playoff record consecutive missed 3's right? Nope, the only reason why the Warriors won because they were 'lucky.'

Whatever.
Seriously. The Warriors & Rockets had two of the 3 best playoff defenses and fought a war of attrition that the Dubs survived.

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Let hope the refs call the box out screens from the Dubs that they missed last night. That 3rd quarter especially was a mess.

Some things need to happen for the Cavs to have a chance...

Korver, Smith, Love and Co. need to hit shots and spread the D. Korver did nothing in the finals last season. JR has been present maybe two games in the past three years. And Love has only had a few moments.

Cavs need to finish around the basket and the game needs to be called tightly around the hoop.

Cavs canít be careless with the ball.

I havenít even mentioned anything defensively because I sound like a broken record with this matchup. Cavs are gonna beat Dubs by making the Dubs especially Curry work on the other end. Work the clock make your shot make them defend 20-22 seconds, get a few of the key guys in foul trouble. Give the ball to Lebron in the final minutes.
Box out screens? You mean box outs? Warriors bigs & mediums were working hard all series to box out Capela and Tucker--rebounding was very physical, and lots of over-the-backs were uncalled.

Two big health questions for the Finals: Love & Iguodala. The Warriors have had two of the NBA's best defensive options against LBJ, Iguodala and Green. One of them may not be available for this series, and that will put more pressure on the Warriors. Love brings talent, shooting, and rebounding to Cleveland.

The Warriors know what they need to do to win: defend, rebound, and run. They are too talented for opponents when they force misses and get out in transition. The Cavs have not had a good defense in this rivalry, and that looks unlikely to change now. They do have some new wrinkles that will help. George Hill is the best point guard defender they have had against the Warriors. He's also a capable ball handler, distributor, and shooter. They have some youth in Nance, Clarkson, and Hood who can play an up-and-down game if Lue trusts them with minutes. And they have LeBron playing--once again--perhaps the best basketball of his career.

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1-41.....Harden and Paul against Iguodala. Series shouldíve been over in 5. As far as injuries, how many injuries to the Warriors were a large part in costing them ring in 2016. Lebron has had a lot of luck as well with not having to play Spurs in 2012, Derick Rose injury, all the injuries in 2016, and Celtics injuries this year.
Iguodala's injury was a big loss. He takes it easy in the regular season and never puts up big points, so people overlook his value. He is a great basketball player.

Injuries are part of every NBA season, and surviving the 82 game regular season and 4 rounds of the playoffs is never a given.

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Hold on...letís be honest here. No team has been healthier in any recent playoff run than the Warriors. Just about every season the Cavs have integrated new pieces because of trades and injuries that they havenít had the luxury of building any chemistry

Why do Warrior lovers or Lebron haters remember 16 but forget 15???

The Cavs decked the court with Delly in 15 and no Love and KI and still made it a series.

16 Curry was healthy enough to throw tantrums on the Court.
In '16, Curry sprained his knee in round 1 and came back before healed. Andrew Bogut was injured in the Finals. Andre Iguodala was injured in the Finals.

In '17, Durant missed extended time in the regular season and half of the 1st round of the playoffs.

This year Curry missed extended time in the regular season, the 1st round, game 1 of round 2, Iguodala missed the last 3 games, and Klay was hurt in Game 5.

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Totally agree, and Warriors still could've won in 2016 if Harrison Barnes made some of those wide open shots and if Kerr didn't make those head scratching rotations towards the end of that series. LeBron and Kyrie had to go to God mode to barely win that series.
The hobbled Warriors were still inches from taking '16.
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Old 05-29-2018, 10:58 AM
 
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LOL--jilted Houston fan or just a run-of-the-mill Warriors hater?



Seriously. The Warriors & Rockets had two of the 3 best playoff defenses and fought a war of attrition that the Dubs survived.



Box out screens? You mean box outs? Warriors bigs & mediums were working hard all series to box out Capela and Tucker--rebounding was very physical, and lots of over-the-backs were uncalled.

Two big health questions for the Finals: Love & Iguodala. The Warriors have had two of the NBA's best defensive options against LBJ, Iguodala and Green. One of them may not be available for this series, and that will put more pressure on the Warriors. Love brings talent, shooting, and rebounding to Cleveland.

The Warriors know what they need to do to win: defend, rebound, and run. They are too talented for opponents when they force misses and get out in transition. The Cavs have not had a good defense in this rivalry, and that looks unlikely to change now. They do have some new wrinkles that will help. George Hill is the best point guard defender they have had against the Warriors. He's also a capable ball handler, distributor, and shooter. They have some youth in Nance, Clarkson, and Hood who can play an up-and-down game if Lue trusts them with minutes. And they have LeBron playing--once again--perhaps the best basketball of his career.



Iguodala's injury was a big loss. He takes it easy in the regular season and never puts up big points, so people overlook his value. He is a great basketball player.

Injuries are part of every NBA season, and surviving the 82 game regular season and 4 rounds of the playoffs is never a given.



In '16, Curry sprained his knee in round 1 and came back before healed. Andrew Bogut was injured in the Finals. Andre Iguodala was injured in the Finals.

In '17, Durant missed extended time in the regular season and half of the 1st round of the playoffs.

This year Curry missed extended time in the regular season, the 1st round, game 1 of round 2, Iguodala missed the last 3 games, and Klay was hurt in Game 5.



The hobbled Warriors were still inches from taking '16.
Yeah I’m talking about moving screens. There were a few instances where the screenor was boxing out (and shuffling feet) on perimeter screens. No one was better than Bogut at this but he’s taught them well
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Old 05-29-2018, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Steph Curry is the luckiest man in basketball history. Any time his team loses or he has a bad game, it's "oh he wasn't healthy". If he has a great game or his team wims you don't hear a word about his supposed injuries...

Must be nice...
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Old 05-29-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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Steph Curry is the luckiest man in basketball history. Any time his team loses or he has a bad game, it's "oh he wasn't healthy". If he has a great game or his team wims you don't hear a word about his supposed injuries...

Must be nice...
Cavs vs. Warriors Part 4- I’ve seen enough of these just watch the first five minutes of each game and it will tell you all you need to know. If the Cavs can get handsy and physical on the perimeter - the same type of game the Celtics and Pacers play with the Cavs- Curry can be neutralized. He may not have been 100% in ‘16 but the Cavs attacked him hard when they were on offense (switched him on to bigger guys) played 80s 90s style ball with him and the officiating and that factor played a huge part in that 16 series.

In 17 his presence made Durant unstoppable. The Cavs were trapping and pressing Curry at 35 feet giving Durant too much room.

If the Cavs can get less carried away with the strategy and get a game that is called favorably for them (contact called at the hoop and not on the perimeter) maybe we get another injury excuse
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Old 05-29-2018, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Lets be real, CP3 was more integral to an already stretched thin playable Rockets roster than how Iggy was to the Warriors. Don't get me wrong, Iggy is a huge part but not like how CP3 was to Rockets.
I was going to say the same thing. That's like Curry being unavailable for Games 6 and 7 and Rockets fans saying, "Hey, we didn't have Ariza." CP3 is a future first ballot HOFer. Iggy is a HOF long shot. Not exactly comparable.
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Old 05-29-2018, 04:26 PM
 
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Lets be real, CP3 was more integral to an already stretched thin playable Rockets roster than how Iggy was to the Warriors. Don't get me wrong, Iggy is a huge part but not like how CP3 was to Rockets.
Sure, but then how to explain as someone else already pointed out that the Warriors won games 1 and 3 with CP3 IN their lineup. Who's to say CP3 wouldn't have choked if he was available for both games?

And why didn't you mention the 2016 Warriors when not only Curry was subpar, but Draymond was missing for one game due to suspension and Iggy was also subpar in the critical game 7 when he had been huge against LeBron defensively? You didn't because you obviously have an agenda against the Warriors, and skip 2016 and mention the other years when the Cavs were hit by injuries.

Like I said, the Warriors are held to some weird double standards here by some. All other teams BUT the Warriors are allowed to use the injury excuse.
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Old 05-29-2018, 04:47 PM
 
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Like I said, the Warriors are held to some weird double standards here by some. All other teams BUT the Warriors are allowed to use the injury excuse.
Maybe it's because the Warriors have 4 all stars/3 for sure and one possible HOF on their roster? No other team comes close to that luxury of talent.

So, for example, when Durant is out, you're left with the team that won a title and followed it up with 73 wins the next season.

Remove Curry, and you still have the 2nd best player in the game + 2 other players in the top 20.

Life isn't fair. Neither are the Warriors compilation of talent in comparison to the rest of the league. It really shouldn't come as a surprise that the Warriors are judged differently when it comes to all things basketball, including injuries.
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Old 05-29-2018, 05:57 PM
 
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Agree...its gonna be awful. Bron's legacy gonna take another big hit. U think its a way Magic can sign Bron, Kawhi and PG13?
Bron is making improvements to his LA home. PG13 is already being spotted in LA.

I don't see Lebron in the Lakers since that is Kobe's team. He would be in his shadow. I see Lebron in Rockets, Spurs, 76ers, Heat or in Cleveland. ( i doubt he would want to go to the Celtics)
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Old 05-30-2018, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Island of Misfit Toys
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LA was Magic's team and Kobe did fine. LA was Wilt's team and Kareem did fine. LeBron would be fine in LA and if he wins championships the team is his. LA likes a winner and ignores a loser. That simple. Right now LA is nothing and looking for a star.
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Old 05-30-2018, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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LA was Magic's team and Kobe did fine. LA was Wilt's team and Kareem did fine. LeBron would be fine in LA and if he wins championships the team is his. LA likes a winner and ignores a loser. That simple. Right now LA is nothing and looking for a star.
The Lakers are not winning any championships any time soon, lol. If he goes to LA itís sttuctly for the short commute.
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