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Old 06-08-2018, 10:34 AM
 
Location: So California
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Record-wise, no, but there's no way they beat Cleveland 3-1 in the Finals last year or sweep this year without KD.

Two years ago, a lot of Golden State critics said they'd be exposed in the playoffs when defenses stiffened and stifled their ball movement, and they were right. That was the whole point of getting KD--they could count on him for buckets when that happened. On paper, the KD era Warriors aren't as good the pre-KD Warriors, but in reality the Warriors likely would have lost to the Spurs, OKC or even Cleveland again without KD.
Disagree. They did beat the spurs and okc and Cleveland is t better, they caught a wave to win their title. Otherwise GS would’ve signed someone else.
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Old 06-08-2018, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Disagree. They did beat the spurs and okc and Cleveland is t better, they caught a wave to win their title. Otherwise GS would’ve signed someone else.
I don't understand your post.

No, Golden State does not stomp Cleveland out 4-1 without Durant. How would that even be possible when they lost to Cleveland the year before and went down 1-2 against the Cavs the year before that with Kyrie and Love out with injuries? Sorry, but that makes no sense.

This iteration of the Warriors is clearly more playoff-focused. Just because they're not winning 74 games doesn't mean that they're not a more unbeatable with KD.
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Old 06-08-2018, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Sounds like someone is splitting hairs to justify their hatred. The Warriors were a drafted team who added a superstar. The Heat were a group of stars who conspired in an off-season to all play together on the same team. Whichever you find more dispicable (or not) is a matter of personal taste, I guess.

And why the hell would Durant ever go back to OKC? His original city was Seattle.
No need to split hairs, just view the link yourself, KD is hated top #4. He’ll be top 3 by next season. Notice how Russell Westbrook isn’t on there.

https://m.ranker.com/crowdranked-lis...ve-nba-players

Why the hell would anyone find the original GSW team who won 70+ despicable? It takes an insane amount of luck to draft 3 all-stars and have them mesh together to win multiple rings. Before a 4th all-star shows up because he blew a 3-1 lead to you...

Let’s not forget the Boston Celtics who “conspired to play together” way before Lebron and only got 1 ring. Which shows again the favorable position Durant joined as opposed to Miami and Boston.

He’ll get his ring, but he won’t have the respect, legacy, or recogniiton that comes with them. If the NBA was only about rings, then you should pray Lebron joins GSW so he can finally win his 4th. Pray that Chris Paul joins GSW too so he can finally win his 1st.

KD’s “original city” of Seattle no longer has a basketball team, sorry for the breaking news. If KD ever had the balls of rejoining OKC and winning a ring there then he would be redeemed just like Lebron. How old are you? None of this is new.

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Old 06-08-2018, 01:30 PM
 
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And KD is from the DC area, so not sure where the Seattle reference came from other than he played there before the team moved. There was always speculation that he may go back home, but obviously was crying after blowing a 3-1 lead to the Warriors in 2016. No way what he did can be compared to Boston, the Heat, Chris Paul.

Shoot, I remember the rumblings about Parish joining the Celtics way back in 79-80. Difference was Boston played a deal to get Parish from the Warriors in exchange for a draft pick to which the Warriors drafted laughable Joe Barry Carroll, aka Joe Barely Cares. So I guess it's about time the Warriors lucked out with draft picks.

It's insane to think the GSW would have beat the Cavs as easily as last year and this year without Durant. Utter nonsense. If Chris Paul didn't get injured, they likely would have not got past the Rockets with Durant. Wish we could have seen what would have happened against the Spurs had uncoordinated Igor worthless Pachulia not taken out Kawhi when the Spurs had a 25 point lead in Game 1.
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Old 06-08-2018, 03:57 PM
 
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Record-wise, no, but there's no way they beat Cleveland 3-1 in the Finals last year or sweep this year without KD.

Two years ago, a lot of Golden State critics said they'd be exposed in the playoffs when defenses stiffened and stifled their ball movement, and they were right. That was the whole point of getting KD--they could count on him for buckets when that happened. On paper, the KD era Warriors aren't as good the pre-KD Warriors, but in reality the Warriors likely would have lost to the Spurs, OKC or even Cleveland again without KD.
It is laughable to think that the Warriors are not better with KD. They have two top 4 players and two more who are probably top 15. Bogut was good, and Barnes wasn't bad, but KD is a perfect fit and is a much better basketball player.

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No need to split hairs, just view the link yourself, KD is hated top #4. He’ll be top 3 by next season. Notice how Russell Westbrook isn’t on there.

https://m.ranker.com/crowdranked-lis...ve-nba-players

Why the hell would anyone find the original GSW team who won 70+ despicable? It takes an insane amount of luck to draft 3 all-stars and have them mesh together to win multiple rings. Before a 4th all-star shows up because he blew a 3-1 lead to you...

Let’s not forget the Boston Celtics who “conspired to play together” way before Lebron and only got 1 ring. Which shows again the favorable position Durant joined as opposed to Miami and Boston.

He’ll get his ring, but he won’t have the respect, legacy, or recogniiton that comes with them. If the NBA was only about rings, then you should pray Lebron joins GSW so he can finally win his 4th. Pray that Chris Paul joins GSW too so he can finally win his 1st.

KD’s “original city” of Seattle no longer has a basketball team, sorry for the breaking news. If KD ever had the balls of rejoining OKC and winning a ring there then he would be redeemed just like Lebron. How old are you? None of this is new.
Why would he go back to OKC? They have terrible management, a sidekick who isn't a winning player, and a $28M albatross.
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Old 06-08-2018, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Why would he go back to OKC? They have terrible management, a sidekick who isn't a winning player, and a $28M albatross.
He would go back to redeem his tarnished legacy like Lebron. The Cavs had the exact same problems before Lebron returned.

While KD wins his 2nd ring, the narrative is not "KD is competing to be GOAT" the narrative is "Lebron didn't have help or it wasn't fair or KD ruined the league"

KD blew a 3-1 lead to a 70+ win GSW team and now NBA fans/teams have to suffer because he was selfish enough to join that team.
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Old 06-08-2018, 05:07 PM
 
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He would go back to redeem his tarnished legacy like Lebron. The Cavs had the exact same problems before Lebron returned.

While KD wins his 2nd ring, the narrative is not "KD is competing to be GOAT" the narrative is "Lebron didn't have help or it wasn't fair or KD ruined the league"

KD blew a 3-1 lead to a 70+ win GSW team and now NBA fans/teams have to suffer because he was selfish enough to join that team.
In 20 years, no one will care. There was no Melo equivalent in Cleveland when LBJ returned. There was no Westbrook equivalent. And LBJ took control of the franchise with his 1+1 contracts. OKC is not an appealing destination for a player who wants to win.
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Old 06-08-2018, 05:58 PM
 
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Saw where some Cavs player said it would be 3-0 if Kyrie was still there. I don’t know about that but I could see it being a much closer series considering how close the games have been - maybe 2-1 in favor of either team with game 4 coming up in Cleveland. Out of 3 games you know Kyrie and Lebron are going to both go off at least 1 game. The 2017 Cavs probably do better against the 2018 Warriors. 2018 Warriors are 11th in defensive rating compared to 2nd for the 2017 Warriors.
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Old 06-08-2018, 06:26 PM
 
Location: So California
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I don't understand your post.

No, Golden State does not stomp Cleveland out 4-1 without Durant. How would that even be possible when they lost to Cleveland the year before and went down 1-2 against the Cavs the year before that with Kyrie and Love out with injuries? Sorry, but that makes no sense.

This iteration of the Warriors is clearly more playoff-focused. Just because they're not winning 74 games doesn't mean that they're not a more unbeatable with KD.


What happens year to year with or without KD doesn't mean anything absolutely. Plugging in a different player can have different effects on the team and sometimes out of proportion.
It doesn't mean they are better or worse, they are different. Take of KD and this team is not as good as the previous teams because of other subtle changes. You saw OKC add Paul George and Mello and they weren't any better. On paper that OKC team should have won a title, but no. Sometimes the team is greater than the parts.


I don't think this GS team is as good as the 90s Bulls or the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, definitely not the Cavs.
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Old 06-08-2018, 06:34 PM
 
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As much as I want the Cavs to win tonite, combine LeBron's gimpy ankle and his maddeningly inconsistent teammates, I have to give the nod to the Warriors for a win tonite and a sweep.

I would be wrong in predicting the Cavs winning it all, but at least I had both the Dubs and the Cavs in the finals.
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