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Old 06-10-2018, 02:34 PM
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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I would offer an opinion, but I don't think I watched the amount of three quarters for all four games.

I wasn't interested in part 4 especially since I figured it would not be competitive.
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Old 06-10-2018, 05:55 PM
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Last year was pretty bad as well, only because GSW and Cavs swept every team on their way to the finals

This finals is the new normal and it's what happens when 4 all-stars play on 1 team

KD has a right to chase rings and we have a right to ridicule him for the way he did it.
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Old 06-10-2018, 10:35 PM
Location: South Carolina
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Originally Posted by murksiderock View Post
This is blasphemous...

Pippen and Rodman never LED a team to anything as #1's...

Kobe and Shaq had each other for 8 years and won three together. Lebron only had Wade for half that time, who was obviously on the decline by Year 3, and Lebron had Kyrie for even less time (three years). If Lebron had a prime Wade or Kyrie, or a combination of both in their primes, for 8 years, he has more than 3 rings. He won 3 as it is with both missing substantial time during his 7 year run with those two.....not to mention Kobe only led two championship rosters as the #1, and falls short of Lebron in virtually all basketball metrics. Big fail...

Kareem had Magic for 5 of his 6 rings; Magic had Kareem for all 5 of his rings. That was 10 years together. Same counter as above; Lebron hasn't had an elite wingman for anywhere near a decade, period...

Duncan was gift wrapped into a system and a Top 5 All-Time coach and front office. He was absolutely legendary, but there is no telling what his career would have looked like had he not had the Spurs; would an alternate reality prove he was just a system player, albeit an absolutely GREAT one? There's a case to be made that for at least certain years or stretches of his prime, Dirk or Garnett were better---->coincidentally, two players who didn't play for an elite coach/organization, yet excelled anyway...but don't have the 5 rings because they could only make the best of what they had. Comparing Duncan to Lebron is illogical, as Lebron is the best prep-to-pro baller who never had a Pop guiding him, nor was he drafted by a team with a David Robinson. He's showed he didn't need a system to excel, and yet, if he was drafted by the Spurs in '03, what's the over/under on championships by Year 15? Unquestionably more than three...

Jordan had Pippen for 9.5 seasons and Jackson for 7.5 years (half!) of his career. Jordan before Phil Jackson had eye popping statistics but was a perennial 1st Rd exit; he was a better version of Russell Westbrook. Again, this isnt an apples-to-apples comparison. The evidence is in that without elite coaching for half his career, Jordan couldn't take anybody near The Finals. Lebron has been absent of elite coaching his entire career, and yet has taken 9 trips to The Finals, a few times with rosters that would struggle to win 30 games without him...even if you count Spo as an elite coach, Lebron only had him for four years and won 2 championships. If he's in a competent organization like the Heat for 7.5 years, he has more than 3 rings, no question....


This isnt to say that Lebron's losses aren't a blemish, because they are, but your argument lacks depth or clarity. Not a single other All-Timer (Top 25) has ever shouldered the responsibility Lebron has, for as long, because either they didn't have to (Magic, Duncan etc entered The League on winners and won their entire careers); or when these other All-Timers were in circumstances with poor rosters or bad management, they proved that they could not excel with a bad roster (Jordan before Jackson, Kobe after Shaq before Phil's return, etc). Lebron's Finals record is worse than everybody's but as a basketball player, hes either better than everyone, or very close (Top 2-3 All-Time)...
Originally Posted by SonnyCrockett View Post
I nearly choked on my breakfast when I got to to "Pippen". Then I stopped reading after "Rodman".
Win more championships, stand out more.
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