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Old 07-24-2018, 10:22 AM
 
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I'm thinking this is more of a 50-55 win team. 60 wins is still not an easy measure to get to. Houston won 65 games last year shooting 3's at a high percentage clip, which Toronto is not known for their 3 point abilities.


They need an engaged Kawhi and they need Lowry and Ibaka to be better than they've been. Derozan stole the show in Toronto this past season, and that was either a sign of things to come, or he just played well above average basketball last season. Ibaka continues to regress, and the same for Lowry, so the talk of Toronto has been their bench.


Boston comes back healthy this upcoming season and I'm not expecting lightning to strike in the same place twice with Hayward and Irving both being injured. You also have Indiana likely continuing their surge, along with Philly. Then you have the Bucks, whatever Cleveland can put together, and Miami to round things out. Washington is just Washington in my book, so I don't expect them to do much more than just fold. Have locker room and on court issues with Wall, but he's also your best player, so that team will be forever stuck as a 4 or 5 seed.


Getting wins in the West will be harder for Toronto, because I think OKC will actually be better this upcoming season, along with Utah and the Nuggets. I think 50-55 wins, with a new coach, is fairly attainable for this squad as constructed.
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Old 07-24-2018, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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IDK, looking at the Raptors roster, now they have the two 'KL' stars, but just not enough of a supporting cast behind them.
At the trade deadline, they should work on creating a Big 3 of Kyle Lowry, Kawhi Leonard, and Kevin Love so that way they can have three "KLs" instead of two.

Love just signed an extension with Cleveland so wont be eligible to be traded but if their season is up in flames by the trade deadline it would make sense for Cleveland to sell off all their veteran assets and begin a full scale rebuild. In other words, Kevin Love should be gettable.
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Old 07-24-2018, 04:18 PM
 
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Kevin Love is the most overrated player in the entire league. Cleveland won the 16 title in spite of him, I've never seen a player paid so much with no moves whatsoever unless he gets a perfect pass.
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Old 07-24-2018, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Cmon, Boston nearly won the East with Irving and Heyward out for the season. The Raptors should get a great season out of Leonard, who now has something to prove, and increase the profile of their franchise at the same time. But they’re still the team that craps the bed every postseason, and a coaching change plus Lebron swapping conferences isn’t going to change that fact. I won’t say they’re not contenders to make the conference finals though, since Philly was notably silent on the FA/trade market this summer.
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Old 07-25-2018, 10:28 PM
 
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As long as Leonard can stay healthy, I think Toronto will for sure be a contender in the East. With Danny Green there as well, their defense will be considerably better than it was last year. Without LeBron, the door is open for teams like them, Boston, and Philly.
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Old 07-26-2018, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Kevin Love is the most overrated player in the entire league. Cleveland won the 16 title in spite of him, I've never seen a player paid so much with no moves whatsoever unless he gets a perfect pass.
He pretty consistently puts up 16-20 points and 10-11 rebounds. If that were so easy to do, every NBA player would be doing it.
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Old 07-27-2018, 10:17 AM
 
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If Kawhi performs at pre-injury levels, Toronto may very well go to the Finals. Boston with healthy Hayward and Irving will be a force too though.
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Old 07-28-2018, 06:01 PM
 
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He pretty consistently puts up 16-20 points and 10-11 rebounds. If that were so easy to do, every NBA player would be doing it.
I bet Love goes for 23/12 this season. Obviously not a #1 option, but a good 2nd option if the Cavs have later have cap room to sign another star.
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Old 07-29-2018, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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If Kawhi performs at pre-injury levels, Toronto may very well go to the Finals. Boston with healthy Hayward and Irving will be a force too though.
I was looking at some numbers. In the last full season he played Kawhi was tied for 2nd in PER with Durant at 27.6. Westbrook was first w/ 30.6. I think I would take Kawhi over Westbrook, regardless of PER. And BTW Lebron was 5th @ 27.0
https://www.basketball-reference.com...7_leaders.html

It goes to show that Kawhi is pretty high up there when healthy.
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Old 08-27-2018, 02:16 PM
 
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A lot depends on KL's health. He hasn't been healthy in a long time. If healthy I think the Raps get to the ECF. Whether they beat the Celtics is big question mark.
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