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Old 01-14-2019, 11:03 AM
 
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Well Embiid has no leadership skills, that's for sure, basically a giant toddler.
And Butler is known as a cancer (I don't think he is, but he's got some problems).
Philly won 9 in a row at the end of last season, without Embiid.

The team's best player is always their leader--you take the good with the bad in your best player (and I think Embiid is a lot better as a leader than you are giving him credit for). #2 in Philly is the guy with the greatest competitive intensity, and the most proven NBA talent: Jimmy Butler. He's only a considered a cancer when he's on a young team that hasn't proven anything and they don't come to play (the reality is that Wiggins/KAT were the cancer in MN--probably Thibs, too).
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Old 01-14-2019, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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My mid season coach of the year is Kenny Atkinson of the Brooklyn Nets. The Nets have had major injuries all season, no high draft picks for at least half this century, but they continue to win. Big win against the struggling Celtics. 7th seed in the east and one game under .500.

This comes from a die hard Bucks fan, but I have to give to Atkinson. Brooklyn plays hard and is competitive in almost every game, often against superior teams.

The Celtics are becoming a dysfunctional group.
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Old 01-14-2019, 10:37 PM
 
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The team's best player is always their leader--you take the good with the bad in your best player (and I think Embiid is a lot better as a leader than you are giving him credit for). #2 in Philly is the guy with the greatest competitive intensity, and the most proven NBA talent: Jimmy Butler. He's only a considered a cancer when he's on a young team that hasn't proven anything and they don't come to play (the reality is that Wiggins/KAT were the cancer in MN--probably Thibs, too).
Pure fiction.
Durant is the best player in Golden State, he's even the 2-time Finals MVP, and still not recognized as the leader.
Durant is the guy being compared to LeBron/Kawhi etc.
Durant is the guy with elite offense, defense and clutchness.
Curry is the basketball leader.
Curry or Green is the emotional leader.
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Old 01-15-2019, 04:21 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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After calling his team 'soft' Simmons delivers 20 points, 22 rebounds and 9 assists in a win at Madison Square Garden.
Simmons may be the best leader in the NBA today.
Lmao...

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The team's best player is always their leader--you take the good with the bad in your best player (and I think Embiid is a lot better as a leader than you are giving him credit for). #2 in Philly is the guy with the greatest competitive intensity, and the most proven NBA talent: Jimmy Butler. He's only a considered a cancer when he's on a young team that hasn't proven anything and they don't come to play (the reality is that Wiggins/KAT were the cancer in MN--probably Thibs, too).
Thank you...

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My mid season coach of the year is Kenny Atkinson of the Brooklyn Nets. The Nets have had major injuries all season, no high draft picks for at least half this century, but they continue to win. Big win against the struggling Celtics. 7th seed in the east and one game under .500.

This comes from a die hard Bucks fan, but I have to give to Atkinson. Brooklyn plays hard and is competitive in almost every game, often against superior teams.

The Celtics are becoming a dysfunctional group.
Celtics are imploding. They will still be a tough out because of their talent and experience levels, but they are not a contender. It took people half a year to see something I saw in preseason, and people still are holding out hope that they are something they aren't...

Kyrie can't be the #1 on a championship team. Horford is almost washed. Guys with injuries like Hayward don't light it up in the first year back, it normally takes a whole season plus to return to form, if you even can at all. Guys legitimately don't like each other on this roster and they've been bickering all year. Brad Stevens is unproven in dealing with the dynamics of all of these things put together, and he's struggling to steady the boat. Some of these things were predictable...

This offseason will be huge for Boston. They have to go all in on getting AD, and even if they miss, a lot of ancillary parts have to go. Not to mention Kyrie may choose to walk on his own...

It's funny and refreshing to watch Kyrie grow into a leader. Personal issues aside, it's clear that LeBron shaped him and Kyrie would not be who he is without LeBron's influence every day for three years...
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Old 01-15-2019, 10:40 AM
 
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Pure fiction.
Durant is the best player in Golden State, he's even the 2-time Finals MVP, and still not recognized as the leader.
Durant is the guy being compared to LeBron/Kawhi etc.
Durant is the guy with elite offense, defense and clutchness.
Curry is the basketball leader.
Curry or Green is the emotional leader.

Durant is not the best player in Golden State. Curry is the best player and Draymond is the guy with the most competitive intensity.


Eyes on the game: Stephen Curry creates opportunities for everyone, all over the floor, with or without the ball in his hands. He's the most efficient scorer in the league (arguably the most efficient scorer in league history) and he's a Nash-esque playmaker and offensive technician.


Durant is an all-time great player, and the most versatile scorer in league history. He is not the best player on the team.
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Old 01-17-2019, 02:47 PM
 
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Durant is not the best player in Golden State. Curry is the best player and Draymond is the guy with the most competitive intensity.


Eyes on the game: Stephen Curry creates opportunities for everyone, all over the floor, with or without the ball in his hands. He's the most efficient scorer in the league (arguably the most efficient scorer in league history) and he's a Nash-esque playmaker and offensive technician.


Durant is an all-time great player, and the most versatile scorer in league history. He is not the best player on the team.
Clearly Curry is their best player overall. As I said before, without a healthy Curry the Dubs have no chance at another title. The Dubs have made a resurgence the past few weeks and it's no coincidence Curry has spearheaded that.

There was an article recently which showed that Curry is the greatest long range three point shooter in history (33-35 feet out). He's also third on list of all time three pointers made, and he's 30.

Once his shots start falling, it demoralizes the opposition as well.

By the way, Harden trails Curry and D-Rose in fan voting for All Star West conference guards. Be interesting to see what happens after the other votes are tallied later.

Latest NBA All-Star Game voting has Kevin Durant. James Harden out
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:04 PM
 
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^ Curry doesn't even play all-star defense, let alone superstar defense.
And in the NBA Finals Curry plays well below his best.
Durant is superstar offense and defense, and he raises his game in the NBA Finals.
What can Curry do? Regular season superstar offense, that's about it.
And the regular season is irrelevant to Golden State, because they don't need homecourt advantage in the playoffs.
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Old 01-18-2019, 06:34 AM
 
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Charles Barkley, on the money as usual (and before a certain poster, as per usual, replies to disagree with Chuck).

Charles Barkley: Kyrie Irving threw Celtics teammates 'under the bus' with LeBron James comments
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Old 01-18-2019, 04:10 PM
 
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^ Curry doesn't even play all-star defense, let alone superstar defense.
And in the NBA Finals Curry plays well below his best.
Durant is superstar offense and defense, and he raises his game in the NBA Finals.
What can Curry do? Regular season superstar offense, that's about it.
And the regular season is irrelevant to Golden State, because they don't need homecourt advantage in the playoffs.

LOL, so salty


Last year: 27.5/6.8/6 on .560 TS
16-17: 26.8/9.4/8 on .619 TS
14-15: 26/6.3/5.2 on .585 TS


These numbers don't account for how much space Curry creates for his teammates, helping Durant (for example) to career high playoff efficiency.


Curry's overall playoff numbers are similar. In last year's real Finals, Curry went 25/5.7/6.6 on .579 TS, including a marquee 3rd-4th quarter in game 7 to take the lead and take control of the game (a game 7 where Curry went 27/10/9 on .614 TS and had 4 steals).
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Old 01-19-2019, 10:35 PM
 
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Lonzo Ball helped off court with ankle injury. Good news is no fracture, but bad news is it appeared bad enough he couldn't walk on his own. Probably some ligament damage.

Horrible timing as he was playing some of his best basketball of his career the past week, and the Lakers lost by four to Houston in O.T.
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