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Old 03-04-2019, 08:14 AM
 
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Murksiderock mentioned Lebron should have gone to Philly. He is spot on. Would have won a championship there. I think Lebron's hubris got the best of him. He didn't fully think this LA through and now it's blowing up in his face. They have not been a well run franchise for a while now. Look at how many lottery picks they ran through or tried to move on. Randle, Russell are two examples and Ingram and Ball they desperately tried to trade. They brought in a bunch of has beens and problem children in Besley, Rondo, McGee, Lance and so on. I don't get what they are trying to do. Rebuild or reload or whatever. The blueprint is a mess. And an open secret - most stars do not want to play with Lebron, and I don't blame them with all the drama. He is a hard guy to coexist with. Passive aggressive and a control freak to boot.

He is not dealing with this very well to say the least. He messed up. He believe he would come in and preform his Lebron magic and it would all be good, like in Cleveland. Now he is too old to carry a team in the capacity needed to lift them to the highest level, he doesn't have it in him anymore. With this being said, he is still a supreme player and IMO one of the very best. Maybe still the best, but with the motley crew he has in LA it aint going to work.
LeBron is one of the best offensive players this season, and one of the worst defensive players.
Put LeBron in Houston instead of Harden, and the Rockets would probably have an awful record.
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Old 03-04-2019, 08:19 AM
 
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I'm praying CP3 can be healthy rest of season and into the playoffs. He'll be the key.
I'd be surprised if anyone other than Golden State beat Houston in the playoffs....
And even though DeMarcus Cousins is playing well offensively, I'm not that impressed with Golden State overall, so Houston absolutely have a shot at winning it all.
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Old 03-04-2019, 02:29 PM
 
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I don't know of you are old enough to witness the peak version of Jordan (pre-baseball), but that man was twice as good as The Greek Freak at getting to the basket.
So even though Jordan became an elite mid-range shooter and an elite post-up player, his slashing ability alone would see him destroy the NBA far more than The Greek Freak does.
And The Greek Freak and Harden and others are given open lanes more than ever, thanks to rule changes and the floor being spread more than ever....
And look how easily Harden gets to the free-throw line, despite not even being athletic by Jordan standards....
Heck, even 35-year-old Jordan was more athletic and more crafty than Harden, so imagine how many free-throws 25-year-old Jordan would average!
And of course Harden is a loser in the playoffs, a choke-artist of the grandest kind (the opposite of "unstoppable"), whereas Jordan is by far the greatest scorer ever.

I watched Jordan in his younger years and in his older years. Jordan didn't play against defenses as tough as you see at the top of the league today. He was one of the greatest players ever to play and built a legendary career. But he played in an era of weak defense and gimmick offense.



Westbrook and LBJ are probably the best rim attackers in the league today. Giannis is 24 with a loose handle, and he is scoring more efficiently than MJ's career best. Giannis' athleticism and size are great. He is an incredibly promising young player, but he has a long way to go before he is in conversation with current LBJ, Steph, and Harden, much less MJ.



Harden is strong and crafty with great handle and excellent shooting. MJ was not a good 3 point shooter. In recent playoffs, Harden lost to a great Spurs team, and three times to one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history.



Harden creates open lanes because he is an excellent shooter and an excellent passer. He is a threat to shoot out to 30 feet, and defenders have to respect his shooting. He can pass the ball all over the floor on his drive, so bringing help on his drive is always a risk. He is strong enough to initiate contact and finish through it, and his handle is tight enough to go wherever he wants. He is an all-time great offensive weapon and has been a stellar playoff performer.


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Jordan may even be a better 3-point-shooter than Harden, because even if we disregard 1995-96 and 1996-97 (when Jordan shot .427 and .374 on the shortened 3-point-line) we can look at 1989-90.....because that year is the only year Jordan averaged 3.0 3-point-attempts per game, and guess what he shot? .376 downtown.
So if Jordan prioritized the 3-pointer, he'd be that 37-38% 3-point-shooter throughout his career.
But again, The Greek Freak proves you don't even need a 3-point-shot in this era, and he hasn't even got the moves and creativity that Jordan has.....nobody has what Jordan has.
The NBA changed the rules so people far weaker than Jordan could get to the paint easily, so we could see higher scoring games.....and even still they fail to break Jordan's 63 point playoff record.

Jordan is not in the same arena as Harden when it comes to 3 point shooting. Jordan's career average was .327 on 1.7 attempts (including the shortened line seasons, which were Jordan's volume peaks). Harden is .364 on 7.1 attempts. 89-90 was Jordan's best year other than the shortened line seasons, and cherry-picking is a fallacy.


We have Jordan's body of work. He was not a 37-38% 3 point shooter. He was a 32.7% 3 point shooter.


Giannis is strong, tall, and is an explosive athlete with long strides.


MJ lost his 63 point playoff game--a game where he shot a Harden-esque 21 free throws.


The big NBA rule change was replacing illegal defense with the 3 second rule. Zone defense allows reliable help and pushes teams to use shooting to space the floor. More perimeter shooting leads to long rebounds and transition opportunities.



Don Nelson and his coaching tree/disciples--Mike D'Antoni, Gregg Popovich, and Alvin Gentry--built a new offensive strategy for the 21st century: an offense predicated on getting out in transition, pick & roll, the walk-up 3, and early shot opportunities.



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Thank you for reminding me that the Warriors won in 2015 with a special player as the #1, I truly forgot...

Don't even try it with 2017 and 2018...

The best player on the Warriors is still #30--it's not close.


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I'm the biggest LeBron fan, and I firmly believe once he's gone for good, we will appreciate his excellence more than we have during his playing years...

That said, I've felt it from the start, but this is my first time publicizing this. He made a mistake going to the Lakers. I don't think he made a mistake necessarily leaving Cleveland, but going to LA was a mistake...

I'm growing more and more concerned he won't win a chip in LA. Of course there's no telling what happens the next few years, but it's not looking good. Every elite free agent who went to LA in their prime got a ring. He can't be the only guy who doesn't...

The smart move for his basketball legacy was to stay in The East. Even as it improved, it was his conference until someone else took it from him, and by default he gave it to them. The legacy play was to force someone else to snatch the conference throne...

Philly would have been the right move for the legacy and virtually assured at least one ring in four years. Instead, he brought that Cleveland **** to LA and it isn't working. To boot, he's finally showed some wear and tear, and this is the first year you can unquestionably say he isn't The League's best player. I don't know who it is, bit it isn't LeBron right now, and at his age it's likely he won't reclaim that status...

Now compared to his peers, others had success but his legacy is clearly stronger than everyone else. His prime was longer than everybody else, and LeBron at his best was clearly a notch above everybody else. As a longtime supporter, this is sad for me, bit I love the sport and ge was never my only rooting interest, just my favorite. And still is...

I also think he is gonna be humbled by this Lakers experience. When he looks back on how he chose to react and respond to situations, I think he'll have some humility...

This will be the first Finals in almost a frigging decade that doesn't feature LeBron James. The "ushering of a new era" has been threatening for awhile, but you could never undisputedly prove it still wasn't LeBron's league. Even as the Warriors thrived, he still won a championship and was their most legitimate rival. Even as other players seemingly "caught up" to LeBron, he showed his superiority year over year with a combination of thunderous regular season runs, and iconic, legendary postseason play. The closest competitors did not have the combination of those two to anywhere near that level--not Harden, Durant, Curry, Westbrook, George, Kawhi--, even as they all were younger and took turns sharing media narratives as the "new best player". To start, they were all starting from behind anyway. And to be fair, each one of those guys are outstanding and are legends in their own right, but every time we prematurely crowned one of these guys, there was a LeBron moment in the same season, whether regular or postseason or both, that proved LeBron was still the standard and the man playing with the boys. Every single time...

For the last 5 years; ever since KD's 2014 MVP, to LeBron's first shaky regular season in '15 that looked like he was on the decline, that simultaneously occurred with Curry and the Dubs' rise, to the narratives in '16 that he was down defensively and still taking advantage of a weak conference, to the '17 and '18 shellacking he took in The Finals at the hands of an unparalleled Super Team. Throughout all of that, it was still LeBron's league and he still showed the gap between him and the pack...

So 2019 is his eulogy as the NBA's best player, which you can make the case he was for a straight decade, from 2007-08 to 2017-18. You can debate some years if you choose, but LeBron spent a decade with nobody else on that level. At the margins, sure, you can argue Kobe in the late '00s, and you can argue KD or Steph in the late '10s, but that's all they are: arguments. By too many measurables, LeBron was the greatest player in the sport for a decade, and for many years it wasn't close. You can count on one hand the guys who have sustained that high an excellence for that long in this league...

These next few years will feature more and more narratives to deflate his legacy, so I'm ready for it. And look, I have never said nor thought LeBron was undeserving of criticism. But I am also ready to watch the new era officially come in, and I look forward to the day that we as fans and basketball media look back and appreciate him for everything he gave the sport. He is in his swan song years now, I'd really rather he force a trade out of LA and admit he made a mistake going, but these next couple years look like the swan song. I still want him to get #4...

It was an iconic, legendary run. Nobody like him, and never will be again!

If he retired tomorrow, LeBron's career would be legendary, of course. His legacy chases the ghosts of greats like MJ, Kareem, Magic, and Russell. He is missing hardware in comparison to those 4.


For basketball fit, New Orleans or Toronto or even the other team that plays in Staples would have been better. But here we are, watching what increasingly looks like his twilight.



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Murksiderock mentioned Lebron should have gone to Philly. He is spot on. Would have won a championship there. I think Lebron's hubris got the best of him. He didn't fully think this LA through and now it's blowing up in his face. They have not been a well run franchise for a while now. Look at how many lottery picks they ran through or tried to move on. Randle, Russell are two examples and Ingram and Ball they desperately tried to trade. They brought in a bunch of has beens and problem children in Besley, Rondo, McGee, Lance and so on. I don't get what they are trying to do. Rebuild or reload or whatever. The blueprint is a mess. And an open secret - most stars do not want to play with Lebron, and I don't blame them with all the drama. He is a hard guy to coexist with. Passive aggressive and a control freak to boot.

He is not dealing with this very well to say the least. He messed up. He believe he would come in and preform his Lebron magic and it would all be good, like in Cleveland. Now he is too old to carry a team in the capacity needed to lift them to the highest level, he doesn't have it in him anymore. With this being said, he is still a supreme player and IMO one of the very best. Maybe still the best, but with the motley crew he has in LA it aint going to work.

I don't know how LBJ & Simmons could coexist. Replacing Simmons with LBJ might have worked, though--especially if they could still get Butler.



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I'd be surprised if anyone other than Golden State beat Houston in the playoffs....
And even though DeMarcus Cousins is playing well offensively, I'm not that impressed with Golden State overall, so Houston absolutely have a shot at winning it all.

Kerr will go away from DMC in a tight playoff series.
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Old 03-04-2019, 04:23 PM
 
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^ Remember when 7-footers waited for Jordan in the paint and he dunked on them routinely?
7-footers don't wait in the paint anymore, so today's slashers rarely have to deal with it - the floor is spread today, so today's slashers simply beat their man off the dribble and the lane is mostly wide-open.
Even in 1997-98, Jordan dunked on Dikembe Mutombo.....
https://i.imgur.com/xPoDEg2.jpg
On top of that, refs did not call intentional fouls as often, so you could roughhouse Jordan a lot.
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Old 03-04-2019, 06:02 PM
 
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I'm praying CP3 can be healthy rest of season and into the playoffs. He'll be the key.
I still dont totally believe in Houston, but I agree that they must have CP3 healthy in order to have a shot.

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I haven't payed attention in a while but props to both Brooklyn and Orlando for holding down playoff spots thus far. The Kings, despite not being in a playoff spot right now (and probably won't make up enough ground) have also been a pleasant surprise and should be a playoff team soon with their young talent.
Brooklyn has played relatively well all season and appears to be building something. D'Angelo Russell has been playing at a high level all season, and getting out of La La Land appears to have done him plenty of good.
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Old 03-05-2019, 01:15 PM
 
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I still dont totally believe in Houston, but I agree that they must have CP3 healthy in order to have a shot.



Brooklyn has played relatively well all season and appears to be building something. D'Angelo Russell has been playing at a high level all season, and getting out of La La Land appears to have done him plenty of good.

I have noticed the Nets quietly winning and could possibly get the 6th seed in the East.
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Old 03-05-2019, 01:17 PM
 
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Nice Doubleheader tonight on TNT with Houston/Toronto being the early game and Boston/Golden State as the late game.
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Old 03-05-2019, 02:33 PM
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Nice Doubleheader tonight on TNT with Houston/Toronto being the early game and Boston/Golden State as the late game.
Yeah, in a couple months, they could be the last four teams standing.
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Old 03-05-2019, 02:38 PM
 
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Yeah, in a couple months, they could be the last four teams standing.
I don't give Houston much of a chance since Harden controls the ball most of the time and shoots a unnecessary three pointer. That falls back on the coach which is why it wouldn't surprise me to see the rockets lose in the first round.
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Old 03-05-2019, 08:14 PM
 
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Jaylen Brown on the Boston Celtics: It's toxic

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Jaylen Brown has described the situation at the struggling Boston Celtics as "toxic" as they prepare for a gruelling road trip.

Sunday's loss to the Houston Rockets means the Celtics - viewed by many prior to the season as contenders for the NBA title - have won just three of their last 10 outings.
Stephen Curry says reuniting with Andrew Bogut would be 'so exciting'
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