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Old 02-21-2019, 06:48 PM
 
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Hopefully Zion will never risk his health and career again making millions for the NCAA and their sponsors.
99% of young dudes just like to ball. The NCAA isnít his battle to fight even though people would like to make him poster child for going after them.
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Old 02-21-2019, 07:03 PM
 
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I'm not putting him in lebrons category just yet. I've been around too long to be too sure about anyone. I still think whether Zion was in the game or not, North Carolina had a very good chance of winning. Jones can't shoot and their in the paint defense has been pretty weak. Not that impressed with them at this point. They are beatable regardless of who is in or isn't.

They don't seem to be a very resilient team. Maybe that's on the coach, or maybe they don't have very good complimentary pieces.
Yes, any top 50 or even top 150 can beat Duke, but this particular rivalry game might as well have been canceled as it’s main attraction was a Zion led Duke team that looked like world beaters (lost 1 game fully healthy). It would be like UNC losing Luke Maye 30 seconds in...it may or may not cripple the Heels, but I wouldn’t want to see it.

Not a resilient team? They are mostly 18-20 year kids that lost their best player and heart of the team 30 seconds into their first UNC vs Duke game (and possibly for the season for all they knew)...cut them some slack.

Let’s not forget that in 2001 Carlos Boozer broke his foot yet Duke went on to beat #4 UNC, win the ACC and eventually the national title with Boozer rejoining them in the sweet 16.
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Old 02-21-2019, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Ro cha cha, NY
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Yes, any top 50 or even top 150 can beat Duke, but this particular rivalry game might as well have been canceled as it’s main attraction was a Zion led Duke team that looked like world beaters (lost 1 game fully healthy). It would be like UNC losing Luke Maye 30 seconds in...it may or may not cripple the Heels, but I wouldn’t want to see it.

Not a resilient team? They are mostly 18-20 year kids that lost their best player and heart of the team 30 seconds into their first UNC vs Duke game (and possibly for the season for all they knew)...cut them some slack.

Let’s not forget that in 2001 Carlos Boozer broke his foot yet Duke went on to beat #4 UNC, win the ACC and eventually the national title with Boozer rejoining them in the sweet 16.
I don't have to cut them some slack. There are a million Duke apologists out there that do that. I don't have to be one. Besides, it's up to their leader Coach k to get them prepared for adversity. He made no in game adjustments. They might be kids, but for their talent level, it wouldn't hurt that they toughen up. Everything is not always going to be cushy cushy for them. Some adversity hits and then they crumble.
Coach k as his usual classy self blew off Roy William's at the end of the game. Roy William's was trying to say something to him and cry baby coach k waltzed right past him. Now if Duke had won, of course coach k would have been kind and humble. He's a sore loser.
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Old 02-21-2019, 09:09 PM
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Pretty much all draft picks now a roll of the dice, now that we're in the one and done era. ZW is probably a safer pick than most. Due to his strength, speed, and hops he should be a monster on defense and rebounding if nothing else. Defense especially is mostly about work, and it appears that ZW does not lack for work ethic.
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:53 PM
 
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I don't have to cut them some slack. There are a million Duke apologists out there that do that. I don't have to be one. Besides, it's up to their leader Coach k to get them prepared for adversity. He made no in game adjustments. They might be kids, but for their talent level, it wouldn't hurt that they toughen up. Everything is not always going to be cushy cushy for them. Some adversity hits and then they crumble.
Coach k as his usual classy self blew off Roy William's at the end of the game. Roy William's was trying to say something to him and cry baby coach k waltzed right past him. Now if Duke had won, of course coach k would have been kind and humble. He's a sore loser.
Ok so using your logic we must hold all coaches to some sort of standard where their team is expected to win no matter what happens. You do understand that in game adjustments donít always work when losing the centerpiece of what your game plan is built around, right? That requires every player on the court to make adjustments on the spot...perhaps filling a role they havenít had the entire season. Itís not like the Duke freshmen had weeks or months of coaching to adjust....Hell, theyíve only played college basketball for about 3 months.

And yes, the kids should toughen up. A game like this is what toughens up kids. It might do this team a world of good to have the unexpected suddenly happen...as it did in 2001 when Boozer broke his foot and other players stepped up and the team got better. Throw a healthy Zion back onto an improved Duke team and we are likely talking national title this year. Zion going down for a few weeks might be the worst thing to happen to OTHER teams.

Hmm, Iíve never really heard other coaches describe K as a sore loser. The best college coach to ever live...sure. And speaking of toughening up...it sounds like you could take that advice if somehow a coach not talking enough upsets you. Letís not act like UNC has been a sterling example of how to run an athletic program.

Now if Duke decides to be crafty what theyíll do is make Zionís return undetermined. Imagine oposing coaches trying to game plan for a Duke team with and without Zion. Their heads will be spinning.
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Old 02-25-2019, 07:34 PM
 
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The media today has become just as soft as our country. Let him play the damn game. Sorry, we are just becoming too fickle on every damn thing. He's not playing three years like college basketball players used to. It's one freaking season.
Something we can agree on...

The arguments against Zion finishing out the college season assuming the knee sprain is as mild as reported are just ridiculous....

The same story we heard 2 months ago after Clemson won the National Championship....Trevor Lawrence should "shut it down" and not play again until he is eligible for the NFL draft...

Seriously?????


When did it become a "thing" for athletes to no longer play their sports????

Or more to the point, not play until they "get paid"....

Yeah, its life changing money we are talking about, but that's been the case for a number of years now...

And why is it only the young transcendent players like Zion and Trevor that should shut it down???

Where is the cutoff??? If you are likely to be drafted top 3?? top 5?? top 10??? 1st round???

Where does it end???

How about the fact that these 18 year old kids, and that's what they are, kids, might actually LIKE playing their college sports???

BEFORE the pressure and expectations that come along with "getting paid"

Never mind that they are honing their crafts before they reach the next level....isn't that kind of the point of "playing"??? To get better??

Yeah I know Zion and Trevor already have ridiculous expectations on their shoulders but if they "fail" its a much softer landing from the college perch than the professional perch...
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Old 03-01-2019, 10:37 AM
 
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Zion is fun to watch. A man among boys at the college level. At the same time, his weight, inconsistent J and free throws are going to have to be addressed. He had 35 at Cameron against Cuse, but the fatigue down the stretch in OT showed! Add to it the missed FTs.

Now, Barrett definitely has the better IQ. The second Cuse game showed. The way he methodically dissected the zone, especially how he got the ball in the middle. Most people don't know what to do with the basketball when they get it in that spot! But Barrett was killing them from the middle of the 2-3. However, Barrett needs quite a bit of "NBA meat in them bones!" Like Zion will have an oversize, Barrett is going to have an undersize problem......!
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Old 03-01-2019, 10:56 AM
 
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Zion definitely doesn't have an oversize problem.
Its muscle, not fat, and if he loses that muscle then he loses what makes him special - maximum power with maximum athleticism.
Barkley flew up and down the court, and was hardly ever injured in his first 12 years, and a lot of Barkley's weight was fat, so I'm sure the muscular Zion can do it.
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Old 03-02-2019, 06:52 PM
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Something we can agree on...

The arguments against Zion finishing out the college season assuming the knee sprain is as mild as reported are just ridiculous....

The same story we heard 2 months ago after Clemson won the National Championship....Trevor Lawrence should "shut it down" and not play again until he is eligible for the NFL draft...

Seriously?????


When did it become a "thing" for athletes to no longer play their sports????

Or more to the point, not play until they "get paid"....

Yeah, its life changing money we are talking about, but that's been the case for a number of years now...

And why is it only the young transcendent players like Zion and Trevor that should shut it down???

Where is the cutoff??? If you are likely to be drafted top 3?? top 5?? top 10??? 1st round???

Where does it end???

How about the fact that these 18 year old kids, and that's what they are, kids, might actually LIKE playing their college sports???

BEFORE the pressure and expectations that come along with "getting paid"

Never mind that they are honing their crafts before they reach the next level....isn't that kind of the point of "playing"??? To get better??

Yeah I know Zion and Trevor already have ridiculous expectations on their shoulders but if they "fail" its a much softer landing from the college perch than the professional perch...
Wonder how much money Michael Porter Jr. lost because he got hurt in college? Or how much did Isaiah Thomas lose because he came back too soon from injury.

If I'm ZW it would be a no brainer not to come back. It's millions of dollars at risk. I don't like to see it, any more than I like seeing NBA teams tank to move up in the draft. However, that's our system.
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Old 03-03-2019, 12:22 PM
 
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But not everybody values money over loyalty, and Zion Williamson sounds like a very team-first guy according to his interviews.
He'll probably never forgive himself if he abandons his team.
Plus what is he going to do instead of play games?
He has to do something or else he'll lose his conditioning, so he'll be training if he doesn't play games.
The injury could have occurred in a training session, since it was a very basic move that led to injury.
Might as well play games, and its not like the opposition defense forces him into awkward positions.....Instead he forces them into awkward positions.
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