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Old 04-04-2019, 04:07 PM
 
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Now let me preface by saying this: I don't think Zion Williamson is a bad player. Not at all. By all accounts he's living up to the hype at Duke thus far. But I'm reading everywhere that NBA teams had better start tanking so that they can grab this guy in the draft where he's supposed to be either number 1 at best or a lottery pick at worst.

How is this even possible? He's 6'7, 285 lbs. He's an undersized power forward/center who thrives when playing physical on the inside. While he can make the outside jumper (sometimes) its not his strength at all. Bigger question, who exactly is he going to guard in the NBA??? At 6'7 he's way too small to bang with your typical NBA 4 or 5 (Think Anthony Davis, Joel Embiid, etc, all 6'10 and taller. They would eat him for breakfast in the low post) but at 285 lbs he would be too slow to guard NBA small forwards on the perimeter.

The easy solution would be to say "well he just needs to lose weight". But the problem is that from what I've seen of him, his game is based on power not finesse, all power dunks and stuff inside. I think it would be harder for him to keep playing that type of game if he dropped down to 235 lbs which would actually be more in line with his height.

The other thing is I watched some of the Gonzaga game. I found it interesting that he wasn't the number one option at the end there. if he's not the clear top option on a college team, how is that going to happen when he's the number one pick playing with seasoned NBA players, all or most of whom would have more years seniority? The one thing that stood out about the great NBA stars who played college was that they stood head and shoulders above EVERYONE in college. Think Durant or Carmelo at Syracuse, even compared to other guys on their teams who would be good enough to play in the NBA, there was no question as to who was top dog. There is a serious question with Zion.

Then there's the weight thing. 285 lbs as a broke college teenager? say hello to weight problems once he starts making that NBA money. If you've watched the NBA long enough, plenty of players have eaten their way out of the NBA. I would be scared to death if I was an NBA exec.

Now do I think he would be a terrible NBA player? No. in the right situation, he could become a decent role player or maybe coming off the bench but lottery pick franchise player? no way.


Sad thing is, I can think of one sport in which he WOULD be a franchise type player...football! he's basically Gronkowski 2.0. Same size/height, only even more athletic than Gronk (with a 42 inch vertical). In football he would be a lottery pick, and when you remember that he isn't even the first basketball player to make the leap (see Antonio Gates) it's not out of the question for him. Like I said, in the NBA he would at best be a role player with a decent probability of being a bust. In the NFL he would be a superstar with a potentially HOF career ahead of him.
Zion is built for today's position-less basketball. He will be able to play 3, 4, or 5, and will likely be able to switch onto guards competently thanks to his quick feet. He has elite level athleticism with body control and touch. He makes scoring seem so easy, it nearly always looks like "bad defense" rather than the elite offense it is. Big guys just aren't supposed to be that quick. Quick guys aren't supposed to be that big.

He can create his own shot off the dribble, or catch and finish. He hits the boards well, combining both raw athleticism, good hands, and elite timing. This timing extends to rim protection as well. He will be a force as a weak side and transition shot blocker at the next level, although I don't think he will as successful as a strong side big guy defender though, most of his blocks will likely come by leaving his man to contest the shot.

His shooting needs to keep improving to be truly elite, but that is common for younger players. Honestly, the only way I see him not becoming a perennial all-star in the league is if his shooting never improves, or he suffers a serious injury. I would take him #1 with no hesitation.
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Old 04-05-2019, 09:11 AM
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Location: The Eastern Shore
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Tacko was in the restricted area. A foul there goes on the defense by rule, but you are welcome to try again.
I wasn't talking about Tacko... I was talking about the guy he lowered his shoulder on, and pushed to the ground, before Tacko. So, I guess you are welcome to try again?

Even most of the national folks were saying it should have been an offensive foul. The only one who said it shouldn't be were Duke fans, and Zion obsessed folks.
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Old 04-06-2019, 05:10 PM
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Why is it that so many sports talk guys seem to be operating on the assumption that ZW will go to the Knicks? I've heard that several places now. Hmmm.
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Old 04-07-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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Why is it that so many sports talk guys seem to be operating on the assumption that ZW will go to the Knicks? I've heard that several places now. Hmmm.
Maybe they don't know the new lottery rule where the 3 worst teams all have an equal chance of getting the #1 pick (unless you're a conspiracy theorist and believe not matter what New York will get it)?

I suppose, if the Knicks don't get the #1 pick, they can always trade up and therefore get Zion, but I wonder what it would cost them, obviously their 1st round pick this year and..............?
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Old 04-07-2019, 01:22 PM
 
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You do know that the choices Zion had on his short list for college was Wofford and Duke. Think what would be his status if he had chosen Wofford. And why did he choose Duke over Wofford?
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Old 04-08-2019, 05:21 AM
 
Location: NC
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I wasn't talking about Tacko... I was talking about the guy he lowered his shoulder on, and pushed to the ground, before Tacko. So, I guess you are welcome to try again?

Even most of the national folks were saying it should have been an offensive foul. The only one who said it shouldn't be were Duke fans, and Zion obsessed folks.
sure you wasnt? that was the call that got the most time on SportsCenter and other programs but it went away when it was determined that Tacko was mostly in the restricted area.. what you are trying to spin here got hardly any coverage like Reddish's clean block in the first half that resulted in 3FT for vcu.. Duke won this game by way more than 1.

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You do know that the choices Zion had on his short list for college was Wofford and Duke. Think what would be his status if he had chosen Wofford. And why did he choose Duke over Wofford?

No, Zion was expected to go to Clemson.. not Wofford. Are you trying to peddle the Nike thing started by the creepy porn lawyer? He chose Duke because of RJ Barrett, his roommate at Duke.
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:47 AM
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sure you wasnt? that was the call that got the most time on SportsCenter and other programs but it went away when it was determined that Tacko was mostly in the restricted area.. what you are trying to spin here got hardly any coverage like Reddish's clean block in the first half that resulted in 3FT for vcu.. Duke won this game by way more than 1.
"Sure you wasn't"??? You certainly didn't go to Duke....

But sure, you know what I was talking about more than I know what I was talking about....

Fact is, on more than once occasion in virtually every game he played in, he straight lowered his shoulder and ran into someone and pushed them down (sometimes with a swim move that looked like a D-lineman), which is a foul. Yet it was never called that I saw.

And it is "UCF", not VCU.
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Old 04-08-2019, 10:57 AM
 
Location: NC
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"Sure you wasn't"??? You certainly didn't go to Duke....

thats cute, are you now trying to pivot the topic to ME?


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Fact is, on more than once occasion in virtually every game he played in, he straight lowered his shoulder and ran into someone and pushed them down (sometimes with a swim move that looked like a D-lineman), which is a foul. Yet it was never called that I saw.
You clearly missed the game Syracuse won when Duke was down 2 starters and Zion ran over that kid(think it was the coaches kid Buddy Boeheim) and was called for a charge. It only takes 1 instance to disprove your "never called" claim unless you are trolling(which is against TOS on these forums). drop the shovel.

Last edited by tripleh; 04-08-2019 at 11:11 AM.. Reason: added Buddy Boeheims name.
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Old 04-08-2019, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Land of the Great Bears
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Fact is, on more than once occasion in virtually every game he played in, he straight lowered his shoulder and ran into someone and pushed them down (sometimes with a swim move that looked like a D-lineman), which is a foul. Yet it was never called that I saw..
Swim move?

I'm not a big fan of the guy but think the refs made the right call against Florida. The defender wasn't stationary when Z made his drive, he was sliding into him. Of course Williamson lowered his body position, that's what you typically do when driving to the hole. He didn't throw his elbow or forearm out. It was either a no call or a block.

The man is hard to defend, no question, being so big and also quick.
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Old 04-10-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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He's an overweight tweener who can't shoot. Definitely seems overrated to me. I hope I'm wrong, though.
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