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Old 11-29-2018, 01:02 PM
 
Location: OHIO
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No, I don't think so, at least not right now. I guess time will tell
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Old 11-29-2018, 02:54 PM
 
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C'mon, now. Are you still upset that Kyrie ate Curry's lunch in the Finals and made him call in Big Brother KD for help?

Jason Terry never even made an All-Star team so that comparison is null and void. Resume-wise, he is more comparable to John Wall, only he has a ring and a more distinguished post-season track record. Right now, I'd say he's not a HOFer, but 3-4 more All-Star appearances and another All-NBA Third Team selection could possibly put him over the edge.

I've pointed out elsewhere that Kyrie is an undersized 2 guard who needs to play with an oversized point guard like LeBron. I discussed this offseason that Boston's best move to deal with its wing logjam was probably to move Kyrie. Now Boston's Kyrie-led offense is bad. Now last year's #1 seed in the East is a middling squad, and people are assiduously avoiding the role the undersized 2 guard plays in that shift.


Wall has limitations, too, but at least he has led a team to the playoffs. Kyrie didn't recognized that LBJ made him, and he will shut the Celtics' championship window if they don't rein him in.


The undersized 2 is best as a 6th man (Eric Gordon, Jason Terry, Lou Williams, etc.). Undersized 2s don't start because they aren't good defenders and they need the ball to be effective. It is best to bring these guys in as a change of pace.
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Old 11-30-2018, 06:03 AM
 
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Career 22/6/4 on 46%/39%/87%.

Playoffs 24/5/3 on 47%/42%/88%

1 ring, 6th all star game this year, rookie of the year

26 years old.

I’d say he’s on pace
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Old 11-30-2018, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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I've pointed out elsewhere that Kyrie is an undersized 2 guard who needs to play with an oversized point guard like LeBron. I discussed this offseason that Boston's best move to deal with its wing logjam was probably to move Kyrie. Now Boston's Kyrie-led offense is bad. Now last year's #1 seed in the East is a middling squad, and people are assiduously avoiding the role the undersized 2 guard plays in that shift.


Wall has limitations, too, but at least he has led a team to the playoffs. Kyrie didn't recognized that LBJ made him, and he will shut the Celtics' championship window if they don't rein him in.


The undersized 2 is best as a 6th man (Eric Gordon, Jason Terry, Lou Williams, etc.). Undersized 2s don't start because they aren't good defenders and they need the ball to be effective. It is best to bring these guys in as a change of pace.
You said Kyrie is "more Jason Terry plus than Chauncey Billups minus." That's absolutely ridiculous. The man was a 2x All Star and ROY before Lebron came back to Cleveland.
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Old 11-30-2018, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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His ability to remain healthy will be a determining factor, as will his ability to gel with the other shooters in Boston. I'd say as of now he's missed too much time, but he's on the trajectory for greatness.
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Old 11-30-2018, 06:47 PM
 
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Career 22/6/4 on 46%/39%/87%.

Playoffs 24/5/3 on 47%/42%/88%

1 ring, 6th all star game this year, rookie of the year

26 years old.

Iíd say heís on pace
I feel this is a somewhat fair statement. He's still young so the conversation is kinda like who will be the president in 2024.
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:01 PM
 
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I feel this is a somewhat fair statement. He's still young so the conversation is kinda like who will be the president in 2024.
I agree. If he doesnít get injured he could very well be a 10-12x all star type of player...how many of those arenít in the HOF?
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Old 12-02-2018, 05:34 AM
 
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Rose 26 points, 11-18 field, 2-3 treys, 2-2 frees.
Irving 21 points, 6-15 field, 2-8 treys, 7-7 frees.
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Old 12-08-2018, 04:28 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Let me add Carmelo to this conversation, since his career is a topic right now...

I feel like I agree that Melo is a HOFer, largely because he will always have the legacy of being one of the greatest college freshmen ever. He was a great player, and honestly he was my favorite player from his Syracuse year (02-03) up through his entire Nuggets stint. I didn't like how he left Denver, that team still had a window and that soured me on them, but his first 7-8 years he was a great player. So he'll get in from the reputation of Syracuse and his first decade in The League...

My thing with Melo, he never made 1st Team All-NBA, even at his peak. He made the conference Finals only once, and his resume doesn't include elevating the roster around him. He only finished Top 5 in the MVP voting once (3rd in 2013). Once! These are black marks for me...

Carmelo's peak was roughly 2005-06 to 2012-13, so we have to keep in context that he thrived in a different era, truly (Melo peaked before this pace and space, positionless, 3s from everywhere, era). So his numbers might not look great in hindsight but given the context of his era, were elite. His numbers 06-13:

26.2/6.5/3.2, .462/.341/.813 shooting
21.8 PER, .552 TS%, 32.5 usg, .145 ws/48, 18.1 vorp

These are really good numbers. But again, he was never really a consensus Top 5 player (though he was Top 10), and his prime was relatively short. And when you compare him to his peers of the 2000s and 2010s, I'm not positive he makes a Top 20 of either era. That's resounding to me, if he does make the Top 20 in either one, he certainly is only barely getting in, in that 17-20 range, and if you weighed the 2000s and 2010s comprehensively, he isn't even close to Top 20. So the question becomes:

Can a guy who was Top 10 at his peak, but had a short prime, and is only possibly barely a Top 20 guy of his era (just as possibly doesn't make the cut), is a player with that stature a Hall of Famer?

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Old 12-08-2018, 06:34 AM
 
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The Hall Of Fame has several players inferior to Melo, so based on that, Melo is a lock.
I wish the Hall Of Fame had been more strict in the past.
In fact I wish they were extremely strict and that only 20 or so players had ever made it.

I know basketball isn't just about stats, but Melo's numbers are similar to Kobe's numbers.
Melo = 24.0ppg .449fg .347treys .811ft 6.5rpg 3.0apg 1.0spg 0.5bpg 2.7tpg
Kobe = 25.0ppg .447fg .329treys .837ft 5.2rpg 4.7apg 1.4spg 0.5bpg 3.0tpg
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