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Old 01-29-2010, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Cook County
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they are relevant because some replies were about his ability to score or shoot...he never had to do those things...he always played his role...i believe that if he was asked to score he would have worked on that part of the game more...but he ultimately did what his job was....5 nba championships later...HOF inductee to me....
Yeah right, he had this awesome ability to score, but NBA coaches were like, "Nah, Dennis don't try to score, there is no value in that." If he could have scored 15 points a game while putting up the other numbers, he would have.


He went to a small school and did not play against anywhere near NBA level competition when he was scoring. How many great college players went on to have sub-par NBA careers, should we take their college stats into consideration too when discussing the HOF worthiness?
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Old 01-29-2010, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Does anyone think that if Ron Artest continues to improve that he could make it into the Hall of Fame [even after the incident in Michigan]?
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Old 01-29-2010, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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ya idk why his college stats are relevant, kenyon martin scored in college but i would by no means say he is a scorer in the NBA...but should he be in the HOF? Rodman was probably the best rebounder ever, and a stellar defender but he was way too one dimenstional a player. He was a specialty player much like a Ben Wallace as earlier compared...a HOF no not yet at least not for awhile.
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Old 01-29-2010, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Artest will never be in the HOF. Auburn palace has a lot to do with it. Never before has anyone seen anything like that in a sport.
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Old 01-29-2010, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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I think Rodman will make it. But college stats aside, the dude had less scoring talent then most dudes at the playground!

But later in his career (post Bulls), after they changed hand-checking rules, he was only an average defender. Undersized and unable to grab, he was very easy to score against.

I also want to clear something up about his rebounding. Sure he could pull boards but he was a very selfish rebounder who didn't block out much. So if he didn't grab the board, no one else on the team would. The opposite is someone like Sam Perkins, he would block out clinically every play, and didn't care who took the ball. Look at Perkins' Reb stats and they are very low, but it didn't mean he wasn't part of good rebounding sides.

And yes, his nearest comparison would be Ben Wallace. And like Ben, after the athletic decline, he became a fraction of his former self.

Don't love him too much just cuz he bagged Carmen Elecktra.
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Old 01-29-2010, 02:16 PM
 
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Since when do role players deserve consideration for Hall of Fame?

How many All Star Games did Rodman make? 2?

Sure the All Star Game is a popularity contest to a degree, but he wasn't even considered one of the top dozen players in his conference while he was playing but now he is supposed to be enshrined as one of the best ever???
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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Stockton and Rodman is not even close to a fair comparison, thats pretty obvious. I would vote no for Rodman as basketball, unlike baseball is a game where you are expected to play both ends of the floor (unlike pitchers, DHs or great hitters you hide in an outfield) at a high level. He was a great rebounder obviously and a great defender, so good that it masked his offensive ineptitude. That is a worthy accomplishment and he received the proper accolades for that (defensive player of the year and first team defense). However when talking about the basketball HOF, you must use basketball criteria, an all-time great type basketball player, not all time great rebounder, not all time great defender.

His career line: 7.3 PPG 13.5 RPG 1.8 APG.

Those who point to his FG% being over 50%, lets look at his FT% for the career: 58%. This would indicate he is not an elite shooter, in fact forget elite, down right bad. So do you think his FG% is a function of him being a offensive threat, or just putting the ball in the basket on easy put backs or easy shots?
Why don't we compare Ben Wallace to Rodman because it seems that people consider him equal:


Rodman 52.1% FG 13.1 REB 1.8 AST 7.3 PPG 58.4% FT
Wallace 47.0% FG 10.2 REB 1.4 AST 6.2 PPG 41.9% FT

Rodman hands down the better player.As for the comment on fg's. Alot of centers and strong pf's get alot of layups or dunks.Just check Shaq's #'s.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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Since when do role players deserve consideration for Hall of Fame?

How many All Star Games did Rodman make? 2?

Sure the All Star Game is a popularity contest to a degree, but he wasn't even considered one of the top dozen players in his conference while he was playing but now he is supposed to be enshrined as one of the best ever???
Don't ever judge a players career based on all star games.That's like saying who was voted most popular in high school.Iverson was voted in this year and barely played.McGrady too.
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Old 01-29-2010, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Cook County
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Why don't we compare Ben Wallace to Rodman because it seems that people consider him equal:


Rodman 52.1% FG 13.1 REB 1.8 AST 7.3 PPG 58.4% FT
Wallace 47.0% FG 10.2 REB 1.4 AST 6.2 PPG 41.9% FT

Rodman hands down the better player.As for the comment on fg's. Alot of centers and strong pf's get alot of layups or dunks.Just check Shaq's #'s.
You quote my post, in which I do not compare him to Ben Wallace, and then compare him to Ben Wallace to refute my points?

Then you take Shaq, an offesnively DOMINANT player, and compare him to Dennis Rodman in a discussion about his offense.

Does not compute
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Old 01-29-2010, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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I don't really see how his college stats at SE OK State are relevant to the discussion.
Is a player's success in NCAA have any standing in getting into the HoF? Probably not, right?
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