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Old 01-29-2010, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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ya idk why his college stats are relevant, kenyon martin scored in college but i would by no means say he is a scorer in the NBA...but should he be in the HOF? Rodman was probably the best rebounder ever, and a stellar defender but he was way too one dimenstional a player. He was a specialty player much like a Ben Wallace as earlier compared...a HOF no not yet at least not for awhile.
Some people consider Rodman & Martin "thugs" [ie. Mark Cuban] but I admire both of their abilities & have been following Martin from the time he was with the Nets [Denver gives the Lakers headaches .
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Old 01-29-2010, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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You quote my post, in which I do not compare him to Ben Wallace, and then compare him to Ben Wallace to refute my points?

Then you take Shaq, an offesnively DOMINANT player, and compare him to Dennis Rodman in a discussion about his offense.

Does not compute
You're the one who commented on easy putbacks and layups and that's where Shaq came into play.How many of Shaq's points are from actual shots and not dunks? If I were to estimate i'd say that probably 65% of his scoring is based on dunks and not a shot.I'd love to see the breakdown on him from more then 5 feet from the rim.We know how well he shoots FT's. I'll get back to you with a hall member that is comparable to DR.
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Old 01-29-2010, 06:02 PM
 
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Will Dennis Rodman be Hall of Famer?

No he will not. As another poster put it, he was a 'rebound machine', tis' all. That alone and a buck fifty will not get him on the subway, well maybe in Mexico
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Old 01-29-2010, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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How about this:

Wes Unseld 984 games 628 steals 367 blocks 50.9 FG 63.3 FT 14.0 REB 10.8 PG
D...Rodman 911 games 611 steals 531 blocks 52.1 FG 58.4 FT 13.1 REB 7.3 PG

***Pretty close on the numbers***
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I was looking at Dennis Rodman's stats yesterday....and he was a rebounding machine and he has the championships also...I know his off court life is ridiculous, but I feel he is a hall of famer because of the work he put in on the court and knowing his role on his perspective team...what do you guys think?
Geezzzeee - I sure hope not!

He does not deserve it
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Cook County
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How about this:

Wes Unseld 984 games 628 steals 367 blocks 50.9 FG 63.3 FT 14.0 REB 10.8 PG
D...Rodman 911 games 611 steals 531 blocks 52.1 FG 58.4 FT 13.1 REB 7.3 PG

***Pretty close on the numbers***
The biggest knock on Wilt Chamberlin in the GOAT discussion is that his era was so vastly different that it is impossible to compare him to Kareem, Michael, Bird, whoever. So obviously comparing a HOFer from a bygone era to Dennis Rodman doesn't do much for me. But I'll just agree to disagree at this point.
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Why don't we compare Ben Wallace to Rodman because it seems that people consider him equal:


Rodman 52.1% FG 13.1 REB 1.8 AST 7.3 PPG 58.4% FT
Wallace 47.0% FG 10.2 REB 1.4 AST 6.2 PPG 41.9% FT

Rodman hands down the better player.As for the comment on fg's. Alot of centers and strong pf's get alot of layups or dunks.Just check Shaq's #'s.
Those are PRETTY similar stats, Lancet. You didn't compute Wallace's blocks either, and he beats Rodman there.

The fact is Ben Wallace ISN'T CLOSE to the HOF.

Rodman isn't that much better! He's better, he's not HOF!

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Old 01-29-2010, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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The biggest knock on Wilt Chamberlin in the GOAT discussion is that his era was so vastly different that it is impossible to compare him to Kareem, Michael, Bird, whoever. So obviously comparing a HOFer from a bygone era to Dennis Rodman doesn't do much for me. But I'll just agree to disagree at this point.
It is true that teams and players have changed over the years. It was much easier to stand out years ago unlike today.For most players nowadays there are specific numbers that coaches expect based on their position.The problem is deciding who stands out based on their era.Not taking into consideration the cross dressing,or the bad attitude;I still believe Rodman is hall worthy.I do think that it could be a slow process though because alot of people are turned off by his attitude, as well as his drug and alcohol issues over the years.
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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Those are PRETTY similar stats, Lancet. You didn't compute Wallace's blocks either, and he beats Rodman there.

The fact is Ben Wallace ISN'T CLOSE to the HOF.

Rodman isn't that much better! He's better, he's not HOF!

Oh,i'm sorry about forgetting the blocks. Rodman .5/game, and Wallace 2.1/game.Wow,Wallace was better at one thing. You make it sound like Wallace was getting 5-10 a game.
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Old 02-01-2010, 09:56 AM
 
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Those are PRETTY similar stats, Lancet. You didn't compute Wallace's blocks either, and he beats Rodman there.

The fact is Ben Wallace ISN'T CLOSE to the HOF.

Rodman isn't that much better! He's better, he's not HOF!

Rodman is on the bubble for the HOF.
It's career totals that separate Wallace and Rodman....not averages.
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