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Old 01-31-2008, 11:25 PM
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Regarding crime in Baton Rouge, the 2007 crime statistics are in. Murders have gone up, but most of the victims knew their assailants, so it's not just random shootings out there. All other crime has gone down. So, crime hasn't risen by 70% as previously mentioned.
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Old 02-02-2008, 01:28 AM
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Regarding crime in Baton Rouge, the 2007 crime statistics are in. Murders have gone up, but most of the victims knew their assailants, so it's not just random shootings out there. All other crime has gone down. So, crime hasn't risen by 70% as previously mentioned.

That is a good segue to what I was going to say. I moved back after being away for 20+ years. Yes the crime is worst than it was then, but I think it is safe to say that is true for most places.

I think Katrina plays into it, but not all of it. It plays into it because there was a large influx of all types of people. But to be honest BR was growing before Katrina and the things that are going on were bound to happen eventually, Katrina just sort of fast tracked it all by a couple of years.

When I left, BR was a sleepy little town on the banks of the Mississippi with limited job opportunities.... which was the reason I had to leave. I graduated college and couldn't even find a clerk job. So I went to the east coast.

But now things are changing.. both for the good and the bad. Just 10 years ago I tried to move back here and couldn't find anyone willing to match my salary(and it wasn't that impressive in my opinion LOL ). Now I'm back and at a higher salary with better benefits. I'm not the exception either, I see higher salaries at a lot of places and more and more job opportunities in the Sunday paper and on job boards. This was a good benefit from the fast tracking of things caused by Katrina.

Continued growth is great for our city because it will bring in more people (and more college grads will stay) and our economy will continue to grow. I think proof is in looking at the rest of the country right now and how they are suffering. We have taken a hit of course but nothing like my friends in the Dallas, Detroit, Chicago, San Francisco and Los Angeles areas have been telling me about. One friend that work at GA Tech told me they had a new WalMart opening in GA and 6,000 people showed up for jobs the the first day and it continued that way for the entire week!! That same day a friend here that works downtown told me she had just got a nicer than normal annual pay increase. We really need to count our blessings. They haven't spread to everyone in the area, but as things become more competitive from the growth the will spread more and more. Just look at what is happening to the people working here in healthcare, hospitals are fighting not only for nurses, but other roles such as IT support as well. That will happen in other industries if we can keep the boom going.

However the down side of economic growth and new people coming in from various places is crime tends to come too. Crime seeks out prosperity. Especially when a city grows faster than its infrastructure can handle, which is definitely the case in BR.

It takes time for some of the people that have been in a sleepy city to adapt and start thinking like they live in a metropolitan city. Good example, when I purchased my home here I told the alarm installer in addition to window open monitor's on my windows I also wanted smash and break sensors in the ceiling of each room. That way if someone smashed a window vs prying it open the alarm would go off. His response was, "wow that is expensive, no one really break into houses that way here, they usually pry open a window, save your money."

See that is sleepy town thinking... in the area I came from they smashed first, unlatch, then pull up the window... what would make anyone think that could never happen here? Theives don't communicate? I got what I requested. We had the same discussion over adding panic buttons to every bedroom, walk in sensor lights, cell phone back up, and keypads at all entrances.. again I won. Finally he asked very sympathically, "were you a victim of a crime?" No I said, knock on wood, and it might be because I take precautions like this!

Same thing happened when I called the phone company and told them I wanted to move the phone box (which was in an open area by the garage) into my locked storage area of the home. The installer told me, "In five years this is the first time I ever had to do this" Again.. sleepy town thinking....

When you have lived in or close to a large metro area for awhile these things just become second nature, you don't even give them much thought, you just do them. But if you are new to a metro area (or the metro area has come to you) it can be very stressful at first. Some people don't want to think about these things and prefer to run from them. But as someone else posted you can't run forever.

When I lived in the Dallas area I lived in Plano. It was a wonderful suburb in Collin County. But as it grew guess what? The crime grew too. And the crime wasn't always poor minorities from the inner city. Many of them were juvenilles from very well off families, but they had developed meth and herion addicitions (you may have heard about it on tv, it made national news when kids started to OD at one of the nation's top ranked high schools) and needed to support those habits once their allowances ran out. Some of these kids drove cars better than me, yet they were breaking into houses, robbing cars for cellphones to pawn, and yes even holding up people at gun point in grocery store parking lots!

Some people in Plano ran to nearby Frisco and or to Denton county... but guess what? Crime is beginning to sprout there too. A few months before I left, a woman was called at work by her alarm company and told her alarm had went off. She went home, got there before the police, saw the door was open and why we will never know, walked in!! The robbers killed her. People were on tv saying, "I'm shocked, I left Plano to avoid this type of crime." Sorry, but again, that type crime follows wealth.

But then there is the other type of crime that Rose Petal mentioned above. As I was living in the various metro areas across the nation, one thing I noticed more often than not was that a large majority of crime is known assaliants. The person knew their attacker or they were somehow involved in some type of unseemingly behavior that brought on the attack. Like the recent case in this area where the pregnant woman was ran over and killed in a drug deal gone bad.

Also, not blaming the victim here, often it was people being in places or doing things they had no business doing in a metro area. Like many of the grocery lot robberies that occured in Plano happened to women shopping alone at night and instead of asking for assistance to the car, loaded the cars by themselves. We just shouldn't do that no matter how safe we feel a place might be.

So what do you do other than run? Educate yourself on living as safe as you can in an unpredicatable world. Learn Do's and Don't like don't jog the same path every morning and definitely don't jog with out pepper spray and a cellphone. Things like that.

If you see your neighborhood declining and crime increasing, contact the HOA, or start an HOA if you don't have one. You will be surprised how much time senior citizens have on their hands and how much they LOVE to run HOA programs. Involve the police, ask them to help you set up a neighborhood watch program and to educate your neighbors on crime prevention. Contact the utility company for additional neighborhood street lights, the assessment is only about an extra 2 or 3 dollars a month.

When you think about it, your home is your investment, you want the equity to grow. To do that you need to protect not only it, but its surroundings. Start talking to your neighbors, you might not only gain some new friends but find people that are willing to help you save your investment because they have the same one.

That is what we did in the part of Plano I lived in. We started with the county, they helped us set up things with the police, have neighborhood awareness drives, etc. Once we got the ball rolling and they saw we were not running, and participants were increasing in number at the meetings, they threw in some stuff to help us out. Like new wider sidewalks for walking safety, free basic alarm systems for senior citizens, new larger street signs for police and fire department to see on calls, speed bumps, extra police patrols in car and on bicycles, cutting tree branches that blocked street lights, etc. Neighbors began to call each other if they saw something strange, like a car in front of a house they had never seen before, etc. For my neighborhood after about two years crime was back down to pretty much where it was when I first moved there (the occassional TPing of trees by the local school kids) and other neighborhoods had started similar programs.

Speaking of the police and parish support, again this city has grown faster than its infrastructure. So if they don't have the resources to help now is the time to push the local councilmen, etc. to get the resources.

I complain about BR to my family a lot, because I miss the sleepy college town I grew up in. But I have accepted the metro city it has become and I look forward to the continued growth. I chose specifically to live within the city limits because of convenience but also because I want to be a part of that growth. For me that means not running if I see a change in my neighborhood, but instead fighting to protect my investment. I plan to sell this house in 15 years when I retire, take the profit and buy me a nice 1 bedroom condo in the city for cash, so I be dang if I will give it up without a fight, LOL.

One final note, someone mentioned they don't see much difference for kids here than they do in other cities. I have to disagree. One thing that strikes me as different here is the BREC system. BREC is this city's hidden jewel!!!

I'm amazed at how BREC has grown and all of the programs and parks it offers. When I was looking for a house EVERY neighborhood had some type of BREC park or facility near by... every one... that is practiaclly unheard of!! Most new communities in other cities have some type of green area built in by the developer but they don't have the support or programs to go with it. Why BR and local realtors don't advertise this key selling point of the city more is beyond me. Even the low economic neighborhoods in the north have BREC parks and programs... its just amazing to me.

Anyone new to the area wanting to know more about BREC, check it out here: brec.org

For me, that is a major reason to stay and continue and build this city. If a city cares enough about me to provide great public facilities, then I can care enough about it to try to help it through this time of growth by being an active citizen. Besides... nothing good ever comes easy, we have to work for it.

As a final note, my brother moved back here 5 years before me. Whenever I complain about the traffic or the lack of this or that he says, "Sis we are on the leading edge of BIG change. We got in on the ground floor, if we ride it through, and work to make it good change vs bad change, we will be sitting on a gold mine in the end." Well I'm not as optimistic as all of that, I know we have a lot of bumpy patches ahead economically and other wise, but it does make me feel good when he say it, so I hope it inspires someone out there. BTW, he purchased a home close to downtown (BR High School area) and sure enough his neighborhood has been improving every year... maybe he is on to something....

Be safe all!
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Old 02-02-2008, 07:32 AM
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Wow. Am I the only person who has traveled around the country and seen other cities with great, even better public park systems?
I'm not going to argue about BREC. BREC is a jewel for this city.

I actually agree a lot with the above post.
I remember starting college 12 years ago and believing that Baton Rouge was the largest little town I had ever been in. And I loved it. Of course with that, there was a lot of small town conservative thinking about many things, social scene, religion, how to approach neighbors, crime, race relations, recreation, ride around town and park somewhere and leave the doors unlocked in the car, etc.
Now BTR is a major city, and continuing to grow every day. And some people are slow to catch up, which is not necessarily unnatural. I think that's why you see so many people fleeing to the suburbs because they just aren't ready for the big city feel. Not to mention the education system of EBR proper.

But let me mention again just so there's no confusion, there is so much more to raising children than having access to an overabundance of public parks.
I do agree in aspect about the jobs and housing. Baton Rouge and probably NOLA will weather this recession better than most areas; not to say that BTR is invicible to future economic woes. But I think the situation in BTR will only continue to improve. And I for one and very happy about that.
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Old 02-02-2008, 03:53 PM
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Wow. Am I the only person who has traveled around the country and seen other cities with great, even better public park systems?
I'm not going to argue about BREC. BREC is a jewel for this city.
Well let me qualify my statement by listing the places I have lived (not visited) in the U.S. (Europe is different, so it wouldn't be a fair comparison):

Washington D. C.
Baltimore MD
Herndon VA
Centreville VA
New York, NY
Pasadena CA
Los Angeles CA
San Francisco CA
Okalahoma City OK
Cedar Rapids IA
Chicago IL
Auburn Hills MI
Southfield MI
Colorado Springs, CO
Draper, UT
Plano TX

I worked for a large IT firm that just loved to put its troops on long term TDYs.

In those places nothing compared to BREC. Why? Many had nice parks but they were either in centralized locations or in middle to high income areas. If there were any in low income area you didn't dare step a toe in one. Nor was there any planning to add more parks to older areas the way BREC is doing here. Hardly any (regardless of area) offered programs and classes at next to nothing or free prices the way BREC does. The few programs that were offered were mostly sports centered, where as BREC offers cultural, crafting, and eductational programs in addition to sports and physical fitness. Finally these programs aren't just offered for kids but for seniors and adults too. In fact, I'm going to a scrapbooking class at my local 20 acre BREC facility next month for $35 dollars and lunch / supplies are included.

So I agree, these types of programs aren't the only things that make a well rounded child, but they sure help. I hear a lot of parents complaining about the school system here, but I heard that in every city I lived in... including Plano which has some of the top rated schools in the nation.

Its more than just schools that make a well rounded child. I graduated from Belaire High School with a 3.8 grade point average and I went there from inner city schools such as Park Elementary and Istrouma Junior High. The complaints I hear now are the same complaints I heard then, lack of facilities, too much violence, drugs on campus, poorly educated teachers... etc.

My parents couldn't afford to send me to private schools, so they took matters into their own hands and made sure I was educated by them personally beyond what the public school system had to offer. We didn't go to Disney or on cruises for vacation, we went to places like D.C. to see the musems and such and had to write reports on what we learned, liked, disliked, etc. And when we couldn't afford that, we went to the plantation homes and stuff here and studied Louisiana history. At 8 years old I knew more about Huey P. Long and the process of turning cane into refined sugar than any child needed to know, LOL . The worst trip was when I was 10 and my brother was 16 and they took us to Angola to meet some guards and trustees to learn what happens when you don't respect the law... I haven't been anywhere near that part of Louisiana since... not even for the annual rodeo!

I can't remember how many times I told my parents "I hate you" as a child because they wouldn't let us have the latest and greatest game or toy, but instead got us some flash cards or some other learning activity. But you had better believe I have told them "I love you" many more times as an adult because as soon as I got my first real career job on the east coast I realized exactly how their sacrifices and time invested in me was paying off.

I went on to obtain three degrees one from LSU, American University, and Dallas Baptist University over my adult life. Sometimes it is the investment the parents make into the child and what the child is willing to invest into their own education over their lifetime that makes the person well rounded and successful.

No flaming, this is not to apologize or make excuses for a bad school system here or anywhere. Its just to say it takes more than a good school to turn out good kids just as it takes more than parks and recreational programs. I see BREC as a tool in the aresnal parents can use to benefit and educate their children.
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Any progress yet on the slaughter of those two Indian students at LSU, or are the cops just sitting on their hands and giving up?
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I think the reward for any information was raised to $5K, but otherwise, I've heard nothing. I don't think it's a fair accessment to say that the cops are giving up and sitting on their hands though. If anything, those murders really woke up the LSU community. Of course, with anything, people get complacent after a while.
I hope they catch the perps really soon.
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Maybe it's different in South Florida, I don't know, but everywhere I've been since I was a kid, all the major cities had Chuck E Cheese, waterparks and various places to "play". Jackson, MS has these things, but I wouldn't live in Jackson. I'm sure Shreveport, Mobile, Birmingham, etc have these places as well.
I'm thinking more on the lines of education, progressiveness, and potential for ample high tech business and industrial employment after they graduate.
No offense by any means, just clearing up where I'm coming from.
I take no offense to your statement. I love it here, but seriously, Florida only caters to the older crowd! Anyway, I have many friends here that went to LSU and have jobs here(2 are in the veterinary medicine field and the other 2 are in Nursing). Of course, the primary education is the worst I have seen, but our child goes to Private School here, so you are correct! I do think that BR is up and coming as far as the downtown area. have you seen the ideas the Downtown Development Assoc,. is trying to make real? A park especially designed with kids in mind with fountains to play in, etc also they are hoping to get some nice hotels and a brand new condo is being built. I think the downtown area is going to be very progressive in the years to come. Perkins Rowe is also offering some fun places to go to and have fun both kids and adults. Industrial employment-not my thing to talk about since I have no idea about that-LOL. Thanks for your reply though-I do agree with most that you said! Happy Mardi Gras to you and yours!
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Happy Mardi Gras to you as well Caa. I posted a few pics from earlier today on the Happy Mardi Gras thread.
I think Baton Rouge is very much in an awakening which will transform the city like we've never seen. And yes I admit, when someone says "Florida" the first thing I think of is retirees. lol.
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I've lived here for four years now, and I definitely don't feel as safe as I did when I first moved here. I live in the Sherwood Forest area (in an apartment), and the number of home invasions and armed robberies in this area have risen recently. Around the Sherwood/Coursey area, several people have been robbed at gunpoint in the middle of the day. That, plus the home invasions, makes me feel much less safe than I did. I loved Baton Rouge when I first moved here, but my personal feeling is that the city has grown faster than law enforcement can keep up. Admittedly, I haven't followed the crime statistics as closely as I could, but I've noticed that there used to be all sorts of people who would walk their dogs or go jogging around my neighborhood, and I don't see that anymore. Things feel much more tense and unsafe.
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I've lived here for four years now, and I definitely don't feel as safe as I did when I first moved here. I live in the Sherwood Forest area (in an apartment), and the number of home invasions and armed robberies in this area have risen recently. Around the Sherwood/Coursey area, several people have been robbed at gunpoint in the middle of the day. That, plus the home invasions, makes me feel much less safe than I did. I loved Baton Rouge when I first moved here, but my personal feeling is that the city has grown faster than law enforcement can keep up. Admittedly, I haven't followed the crime statistics as closely as I could, but I've noticed that there used to be all sorts of people who would walk their dogs or go jogging around my neighborhood, and I don't see that anymore. Things feel much more tense and unsafe.
I am sorry that you feel worse than 4 years ago. We moved here in March of 2005 and I feel safe here still. I have not been a victim of crime, and hope never to be either! I honestly do not know mamny people anywhere who feel just as safe as they did 4 years ago. My in laws live in Cape Coral Florida and that town used to boast about its low crime rate. The past 4 years they are terrified to go out at night now, the Latin gangs are killing eachother and getting innocent bystanders killed as well. I have always been careful, but that does not matter anymore. Look at West Palm Beach shootings today, just having a burger and you get shot. I hope that you can maybe move to a better place where you are not as nervous! Take Care!
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