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Old 04-14-2018, 10:28 AM
 
Location: The beautiful Rogue Valley, Oregon
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The flip side of the Urban Growth Boundary is cost - when we moved from the Portland metro area to Vancouver Wa (the spouse worked for HP) we sold our house in Oregon and bought a house in Vancouver, Wa. The property tax on the houses showed that the land and building were of pretty much equal value in Washington. When he retired, we moved back to Oregon, where the value of the land is worth almost twice the structure. That is the UGB in action. It does drive up costs, on the other hand it does rein in uncontrolled growth, the type of which I came to really dislike in Washington.

The idea that the number of new residents can be "controlled" is pretty ludicrous - you'd have to alter the Constitution as freedom to move within the states in guaranteed under the Privileges and Immunities clause in the Constitution. Even though it's been tried (my mother's family was unlawfully detained by the California Highway Patrol in the 1930s - unlike the other people they were traveling with, they weren't ordered to leave California because other relatives came and bailed them out). Also by various redlining and sunset laws which were - eventually - overturned. "Negroes" and "Asiatics" were not allowed to own land in Oregon under Oregon's original 1859 state constitution, finally overturned in the late 1950s.
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Old 04-14-2018, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Bend, OR
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The flip side of the Urban Growth Boundary is cost - when we moved from the Portland metro area to Vancouver Wa (the spouse worked for HP) we sold our house in Oregon and bought a house in Vancouver, Wa. The property tax on the houses showed that the land and building were of pretty much equal value in Washington. When he retired, we moved back to Oregon, where the value of the land is worth almost twice the structure. That is the UGB in action. It does drive up costs, on the other hand it does rein in uncontrolled growth, the type of which I came to really dislike in Washington.

The idea that the number of new residents can be "controlled" is pretty ludicrous - you'd have to alter the Constitution as freedom to move within the states in guaranteed under the Privileges and Immunities clause in the Constitution. Even though it's been tried (my mother's family was unlawfully detained by the California Highway Patrol in the 1930s - unlike the other people they were traveling with, they weren't ordered to leave California because other relatives came and bailed them out). Also by various redlining and sunset laws which were - eventually - overturned. "Negroes" and "Asiatics" were not allowed to own land in Oregon under Oregon's original 1859 state constitution, finally overturned in the late 1950s.
So much wisdom and reality in this post, all around.

Couldn't agree more with everything you say. If I could upvote you again I would.
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Old 04-14-2018, 06:02 PM
 
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Yes, there will likely always be some expansion outside of the UGB as the law is not a moratorium on expansion, but it's main principle is to heavily prioritize the densification of current land stock, first.
Do you have any knowledge on how the Tree Farm development was able to get approval for 2 acre lots? I heard that area was zoned for much larger lot sizes, but I could be misinformed.
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Old 04-15-2018, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Redmond, OR
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Here's a shot from NW Ivy in Redmond looking south at the Maple Meadows and other developments under construction. Seems like they're going slowly, probably due to a lack of crews. Juniper Springs senior center being built center left of the picture.
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Old 04-15-2018, 03:05 PM
 
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The flip side of the Urban Growth Boundary is cost - when we moved from the Portland metro area to Vancouver Wa (the spouse worked for HP) we sold our house in Oregon and bought a house in Vancouver, Wa. The property tax on the houses showed that the land and building were of pretty much equal value in Washington. When he retired, we moved back to Oregon, where the value of the land is worth almost twice the structure. That is the UGB in action. It does drive up costs, on the other hand it does rein in uncontrolled growth, the type of which I came to really dislike in Washington.

The idea that the number of new residents can be "controlled" is pretty ludicrous - you'd have to alter the Constitution as freedom to move within the states in guaranteed under the Privileges and Immunities clause in the Constitution. Even though it's been tried (my mother's family was unlawfully detained by the California Highway Patrol in the 1930s - unlike the other people they were traveling with, they weren't ordered to leave California because other relatives came and bailed them out). Also by various redlining and sunset laws which were - eventually - overturned. "Negroes" and "Asiatics" were not allowed to own land in Oregon under Oregon's original 1859 state constitution, finally overturned in the late 1950s.
Didn't think the UGB had anything to do with controlling the number of residents, just limiting the kind of sprawl development that causes destruction of farmland and abandonment of existing neighborhoods.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:01 AM
 
Location: The beautiful Rogue Valley, Oregon
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Didn't think the UGB had anything to do with controlling the number of residents, just limiting the kind of sprawl development that causes destruction of farmland and abandonment of existing neighborhoods.
It's usually part of the suggestion about controlling growth (as seen upthread here) and often by fairly recent transplants to Oregon.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:30 AM
 
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The UGBs keep urban sprawl from covering the countryside like it does in California. Build up instead of out. This is a good thing.

Imagine the gleaming Emerald City in the Wizard of Oz film surrounded by fertile open land and fields of flowers. (marijuana flowers) And I quit smoking pot 30 years ago
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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With 4.2 million people in all of Oregon 98,466 square miles its not really crowded. Just feels like it.

All of Harris County Texas (Houston) clocking in at 4.5 million people in 1777 sq miles. Lots of room here still.
32,000 square miles. The rest of the state is owned by the government and not available for human habitation.

Fortunately, almost everybody wants to live in a city, so we can just keep packing them in. Washington County is sad, but that's about the only area that has become extremely degraded.
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Old 04-16-2018, 03:03 PM
 
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32,000 square miles. The rest of the state is owned by the government and not available for human habitation.

Fortunately, almost everybody wants to live in a city, so we can just keep packing them in. Washington County is sad, but that's about the only area that has become extremely degraded.
The public lands belong to all the people of the United States. And no they can't live there.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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The public lands belong to all the people of the United States. And no they can't live there.
Tell that to any of the hundreds of people who live in Bastendorff Beach Park, both legally and illegally. Lots of people are choosing to live on public lands, rather than pay insane rent prices. That problem will only get worse as the population continues to spiral out of control.



Bastendorff Beach becomes transient dwelling mecca _ Local News _ theworldlink.com.html
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