Diverting a lava flow, pono or not? (Honolulu: camp, living in)

[hawaiian by heart]

Originally Posted by whtviper1

Do you know what is the saddest? That you think you know so much about Hawaii.

I only know from my own experience, my knowlege stops there. But then again im not the one who is trying to limit or deny anyone from expressing there opinions or experiences on a public forum.

[hawaiian by heart]

Originally Posted by whtviper1

This isn't rocket science - because things change so drastically in 25 years, it isn't possible to relate to the present day.

BS aloha spirit is aloha spirit, pidgin is still pidgin. We still put our pants on one leg at a time. You think the issues today in Hawaii are unique because they are happening in modern times? Naw man classism, growth vs preservation, water shortages etc etc all were dealt with all thu history by people before you even stepped foot in the islands whtviper1. I think you would be better off attacking what i say based on truth. Please dm me next time you have issue with me so we don't hijack a thread ok.

Lol also Hawaii becomes a very unique experience place when your on the mainland jonesing for a li hing mui icee or good jin dui or char siu manapua or even something as simple as a good bowl of sticky white rice with good Zippy's Chili or hawaii style chilli. Don't even get me startted on good crackseed. lol

[Jungjohann]

Ala Wai canal was built to control the flow of water from the Ko'olaus on Oahu. Iao Stream was modified heavily with concrete and diversionary channels to control flooding in Central Maui. Although both dealt with the flow of water, engineers and the state were essentially modifying the work of mother nature. Should Pele and lava be dealt with in a different fashion? Of course, if explosives were used, and some of the underground lava tubes collapsed, who knows what the consequences would be.. Wonder what would happen on Maui if Haleakala were to go lolo, and a river of lava were to head directly for Wailea??

As for me, no worries, I don't actually live in Hawaii.


(Just to make MD&3 happy Hear it used to be nice though)

[1freespirit]

Originally Posted by whtviper1

Yikes! "Hawaiian by heart" doesn't live here part time - doesn't even visit Hawaii - ever. People actually think he does because he posts on a Hawaii forum like he does live here. He hasn't lived here since his childhood some 30+ years ago or even visited since then.

I'm so confused.... Well his heart does that's got to count for something.

[hawaiian by heart]

Originally Posted by Jungjohann

Ala Wai canal was built to control the flow of water from the Ko'olaus on Oahu. Iao Stream was modified heavily with concrete and diversionary channels to control flooding in Central Maui. Although both dealt with the flow of water, engineers and the state were essentially modifying the work of mother nature. Should Pele and lava be dealt with in a different fashion? Of course, if explosives were used, and some of the underground lava tubes collapsed, who knows what the consequences would be.. Wonder what would happen on Maui if Haleakala were to go lolo, and a river of lava were to head directly for Wailea??

As for me, no worries, I don't actually live in Hawaii.


(Just to make MD&3 happy Hear it used to be nice though)

But look at the ala wai canal today, its a toxic waste dump, a prime example of going against the natural order of things. AUWE! da smell

[Jonah K]

Originally Posted by whtviper1

Although - I wouldn't find you very credible if you hadn't even stepped foot in Hawaii since 1989

As some others fall into that category.

I know some folks that haven't stepped foot in Hawaiʻi since 1986 -- they used to live in a little place called "Kalapana" and can probably teach the folks in Pāhoa a few things about life after one's home is inundated by a lava flow.

[whtviper1]

Originally Posted by hawaiian by heart

But look at the ala wai canal today, its a toxic waste dump, a prime example of going against the natural order of things.

The Ala Wai canal is a great example of engineering bettering things for everyday people. Many people became instant landowners as the water receded and they no longer owned on swampland - Waikiki, which drives most of the states economy, wouldn't exist - and all the those things that Oahu subsidizes like the lava initiatives on the Big Island might not occur.

[Jungjohann]

Originally Posted by Jonah K

I know some folks that haven't stepped foot in Hawaiʻi since 1986 -- they used to live in a little place called "Kalapana" and can probably teach the folks in Pāhoa a few things about life after one's home is inundated by a lava flow.

And there appears to be new houses popping up in Kalapana. TAKE THAT PELE!!!

If your property is inundated by Pele kukae, and the flow ceases, are you still owner of the property? Some Pahoa folks might want to know.

[hawaiian by heart]

Originally Posted by whtviper1

The Ala Wai canal is a great example of engineering bettering things for everyday people. Many people became instant landowners as the water receded and they no longer owned on swampland - Waikiki, which drives most of the states economy, wouldn't exist - and all the those things that Oahu subsidizes like the lava initiatives on the Big Island might not occur.

Yeah back then, today its a toxic dump? Why? Nothing can live in it. No one can swim in it.

If ala wai cannel wasn't built there would of been another waikiki fiqurely speaking.

[mdand3boys]

Originally Posted by Jungjohann

And there appears to be new houses popping up in Kalapana. TAKE THAT PELE!!!

If your property is inundated by Pele kukae, and the flow ceases, are you still owner of the property? Some Pahoa folks might want to know.

Yes. You still own the property, although the elevation would probably be a bit different and finding it might be difficult without any familiar things like roads around.
Some of those people in Kalapana are building on their old property, just a lot higher up.

All new land, even around Volcanoes National Park automatically belongs to the state though.