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Old 10-21-2014, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Portland OR / Honolulu HI
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Huh, you are aware that they used to be inside ala moana yes? In fact ala moana used to be a local business mall with the excecption of a few large businesses, that should tell you the effect of large outside businesses on local business.
What was in the mall -vs-what is now in the mall has nothing to do with Walmart. And the fact remains that there are many local businesses today operating all around the Walmart. In fact, it's not just a Walmart. It's both a Walmart and a Sam's Club above it.

What has changed in the mall has nothing to do with Walmart though.
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Old 10-21-2014, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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What has changed in the mall has nothing to do with Walmart though.
And what has happened in Ala Moana has nothing to do with Hilo. They're different worlds.
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Old 10-21-2014, 09:41 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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What was in the mall -vs-what is now in the mall has nothing to do with Walmart. And the fact remains that there are many local businesses today operating all around the Walmart. In fact, it's not just a Walmart. It's both a Walmart and a Sam's Club above it.

What has changed in the mall has nothing to do with Walmart though.
No but it does show what Gentrification does do. I would love to hear what small local business are around walmart? Because when i think of local small business i think Rainboe drive in or K.Cs, The crackseed store, wigwams, Foodland Super Market,Honolulu Book Shops Ltd, Iida S M Limited, Hotei-Ya, Liberty House, Longs Drug Stores, McInerny, Patti’s Chinese Kitchen, Pete’s Modelcraft, Products of Hawaii and lunchplate special stores. Not Mcdonalds, tacobell, popeyes. walgreens, walmart, etc etc
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Old 10-21-2014, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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I can also find a study that says walmart is the savour of our country if i look hard enough lol.
I doubt it.

Another study conducted by a researcher with the State of Hawaiʻi Legislative Reference Bureau found that while there's a correlation between the decline of small businesses and the opening of "big box" stores, it's impossible to prove that "big box" stores caused the decline.
http://lrbhawaii.info/lrbrpts/03/bbox.pdf
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Old 10-21-2014, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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No but it does show what Gentrification does do. I would love to hear what small local business are around walmart? Because when i think of local small business i think Rainboe drive in or K.Cs, The crackseed store, wigwams, Foodland Super Market,Honolulu Book Shops Ltd, Iida S M Limited, Hotei-Ya, Liberty House, Longs Drug Stores, McInerny, Patti’s Chinese Kitchen, Pete’s Modelcraft, Products of Hawaii and lunchplate special stores. Not Mcdonalds, tacobell, popeyes. walgreens, walmart, etc etc
Or, shopping habits changed since the 70s and 80s. Longs and Foodland are in the mall. And I definitely wouldn't mind a Taco Bell to replace some of the awful food court places.
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Old 10-21-2014, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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It wasn't necessarily the "big box" stores that changed the face of Hilo and its downtown retail environment -- it was the opening of Prince Kūhiō Plaza in 1985. Unfortunately, Prince Kūhiō Plaza has it's own particular challenges, such as being anchored by department stores that are on the decline. Here's a link to a "U.H. Hilo Retail Demand Study" that analyzes the overall retail market in Hilo.
http://hilo.hawaii.edu/villageCFO/do...rch-8-2011.pdf
Very interesting, thanks Jonah.

I see that it generally says the same things I've been saying all along, that commercial property vacancies in Hilo are high, rents are depressed, and certain retail categories are underserved, many of which could previously been found as independent local retailers in Hilo perhaps 20 years ago.

The muted recommendation for a long range commercial development at Kawili and Puainiko seems based on catering to the projected growth in student population in that area, with stores catering to their needs and tastes within walking distance of housing makes sense, paralleling the way student-centric shopping and dining and entertainment choices grow around most universities, but skirting gingerly around the issue of the current surplus of existing commercial rental space in the area.

I was also intrigued by the analysis of the RMP Opportunity Gap - Retail Stores, calling out many of the same kinds of stores that went missing in the community due to the influx of mid-box and big-box stores.

Here's something I'm curious about that you can probably answer, Jonah... what, if any impact is there on tax revenues due to the various stores being built on DHHL properties? Are the property taxes to the county the same as they'd be on privately owned land? What about GET on the property rental income? And finally, how is that rental income used? Does any of it benefit the general public, or does it all go to DHHL programs?

And what about the proposed university development? Same questions about retail uses of University property?

Mahalo,
OpenD
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Old 10-21-2014, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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Another study conducted by a researcher with the State of Hawaiʻi Legislative Reference Bureau found that while there's a correlation between the decline of small businesses and the opening of "big box" stores, it's impossible to prove that "big box" stores caused the decline.
http://lrbhawaii.info/lrbrpts/03/bbox.pdf
OK, so there's room for debate on that count, since they didn't prove the case either way... but what does the State report say about the things that are on the public record and are not debatable... that Walmart has been caught in massive bribery and corruption charges... that there have been deaths and injuries at their Asian sweatshops... that they were caught in systemic violations of toxic waste regulations... that they've been caught repeatedly in widespread labor law violations... and that they are the largest beneficiary of "Corporate Welfare" in the country... almost $18 million worth per annum at present? What about those?
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Old 10-22-2014, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Volcano
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OK, so and that they are the largest beneficiary of "Corporate Welfare" in the country... almost $18 million worth per annum at present? What about those?
To clarify, that's nearly $18 million worth in Hawai'i. They've got their hands in the pockets of all us taxpayers. It's not enough to pay their CEO's salary, but still...
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Old 10-22-2014, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Hawaii-Puna District
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To clarify, that's nearly $18 million worth in Hawai'i. They've got their hands in the pockets of all us taxpayers. It's not enough to pay their CEO's salary, but still...
And the point is, in Hilo, those retail mom-and-pop stores DO use subsidies like food stamps, etc. to help them with their business plan - not a single bit different than Walmart is being accused of doing, except that Walmart, in Hilo, pays employees more per hour than those little stores do (or did).

You should find a new target to go after.
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Old 10-22-2014, 12:58 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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And the point is, in Hilo, those retail mom-and-pop stores DO use subsidies like food stamps, etc. to help them with their business plan - not a single bit different than Walmart is being accused of doing, except that Walmart, in Hilo, pays employees more per hour than those little stores do (or did).

You should find a new target to go after.
Jeez talk about socialism. I have more empathy for a small business who is struggling to pay there employees a wage, then walmart type business whos owners are worth 100+ billion and makes billions in profits vs the small business owners who pay a higher tax rate but are lucky to clear a million or two in profits. Yes small business pay more for the profits they earn.
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