Is Birmingham a "major city"? (Montgomery, Mobile: school, racism)

[Strangejelly]

Originally Posted by ClemsonTiger45

big cities are just a lot of different suburbs. Most people who live in big cities rarely venture out of their own little area because they only going to find the same stuff in the different sides of town. I bet there are a lot of people off that busy drag in b'ham who never venture much outside of that. same thing with bigger places like Atlanta.

Not true at all.

Many people don't work or play in the area they live in.

[bickyb]

Originally Posted by Strangejelly

Not true at all.

Many people don't work or play in the area they live in.

You're correct, people don 't work or play in the same areas of residence. I lived in ATL and we even have vast numbers of people who commute suburb to suburb, and don't even traverse the "city" at all.

[raj kapoor]

Originally Posted by sleepless in Bham

Yeah I already know who determines MSA/CSA's, and yes a Birmingham metro of 1.6 looks better than a Bham of 1.2 million, but there are other ways of achieving 1.6 million, maybe 2.6 million by making Birmingham an attractive place for people from across the country to move from the inside out, instead of trying to lasso in places that probably dont want anything to do with Birmingham in the first place. For example if given a choice people in the Anniston/Oxford are would probably rather be in the Atlanta CSA. The area is already on the outer fringes of the Atlanta TV market. Cleburne and Randolph Counties are already in the Atlanta media market.

Anniston/Oxford are an established part of the Birmingham metro media market.

As far as choosing CSA'S, (lol), since all the jobs are coming up on the western side of Anniston/Oxford, I'm betting you are very wrong. They definitely like those expanding Honda jobs and Atlanta did not get that for them.

In fact the Honda jobs are part of the federal equation that placed Talladega County in the Birmingham CSA in 2012. If the plant expands at the rate of Mercedes we may grab a Georgia county. There is some flat poor land east of the Georgia line. Of course that is just a joke , I can't imagine the usefulness of having any of those poor low population west Georgia counties in our CSA.

At any rate , many don't seem to understand that there are specific demographics at work with the CSA's and the people don't make that happen except by choosing where they work live and commute. These are very practical demos that aren't the stuff of being starry eyed.

raj

[birminghamster]

Originally Posted by raj kapoor

Anniston/Oxford are an established part of the Birmingham metro media market.

As far as choosing CSA'S, (lol), since all the jobs are coming up on the western side of Anniston/Oxford, I'm betting you are very wrong. They definitely like those expanding Honda jobs and Atlanta did not get that for them.

In fact the Honda jobs are part of the federal equation that placed Talladega County in the Birmingham CSA in 2012. If the plant expands at the rate of Mercedes we may grab a Georgia county. There is some flat poor land east of the Georgia line. Of course that is just a joke , I can't imagine the usefulness of having any of those poor low population west Georgia counties in our CSA.

At any rate , many don't seem to understand that there are specific demographics at work with the CSA's and the people don't make that happen except by choosing where they work live and commute. These are very practical demos that aren't the stuff of being starry eyed.

raj

I don't think Birmingham will be getting any Georgia counties in the CSA anytime soon.

[raj kapoor]

Originally Posted by birminghamster

I don't think Birmingham will be getting any Georgia counties in the CSA anytime soon.

Let's hope never.

raj

[birminghamster]

Originally Posted by raj kapoor

Let's hope never.

raj

lol

[raj kapoor]

Some people on this part of this thread don't seem to see any benefit to an expansion of either the MSA or CSA. Population is foundational, but so is land area.

Birmingham has a port because it reaches the Warrior River. If Birmingham ever builds a new airport in the future it would have to be quite far from the center just to find land with fewer people and some degree of flatness. (not to be found)

The auto plants all build outside of the inner MSA's because of federal regulations concern air pollution specific to the painting process and some others. Intermodal centers and distribution all demand land that can't be found in the inner MSA.

These are some of the reasons that the MSA's start pushing out into the CSA's. This is when people who did not work in the central city begin to be part of the metro economy. These jobs do not seek small communities they seek to be as near the source of commerce that the city offers but with the amount of land that is needed. Modern cities just by their nature do tend to expand. It is favorable however to try to manage that expansion in a reasonable way so that we don't create urban nightmares like the Great Lakes and other parts of the Midwest are noted for.

Let's just hope our society can succeed at this daunting challenge.

raj

[sleepless in Bham]

Originally Posted by birminghamster

I don't think Birmingham will be getting any Georgia counties in the CSA anytime soon.

No because those GA counties are already in the Atlanta CSA.

[birminghamster]

Originally Posted by sleepless in Bham

No because those GA counties are already in the Atlanta CSA.

Several New Jersey counties are part of both Philly and New York CSA's. Not that it will happen anytime soon, but counties can be part of two.

By the way, how long will it be before Anniston-Oxford is added to Birmingham CSA?

[sleepless in Bham]

Originally Posted by birminghamster

Several New Jersey counties are part of both Philly and New York CSA's. Not that it will happen anytime soon, but counties can be part of two.

By the way, how long will it be before Anniston-Oxford is added to Birmingham CSA?

Tough to say really, maybe sooner than later.