Huntsville projected to be largest city in Alabama in less than 10 years (Birmingham: apartment, construction)

[steveklein]

I don't really get it. You have implied that the current governor seems to favor Huntsville over Birmingham, while TN2HSV points out that Birmingham has struggled to attract new operations since before Bentley was the governor. What about his post is so out of line?

[Tourian]

Originally Posted by steveklein

I don't really get it. You have implied that the current governor seems to favor Huntsville over Birmingham, while TN2HSV points out that Birmingham has struggled to attract new operations since before Bentley was the governor. What about his post is so out of line?

No. She first implied that I was blaming all of B'ham's woes on Bentley. That's false and too childish a remark for me to respond to. Her follow up post is even worse. I have been very specific on what I blame and accuse Bentley of.

Of course you don't really get it, Steve.

[steveklein]

Originally Posted by Tourian

No. She first implied that I was blaming all of B'ham's woes on Bentley. That's false and too childish a remark for me to respond to. Her follow up post is even worse. I have been very specific on what I blame and accuse Bentley of.

Of course you don't really get it, Steve.

Then why don't you just respond to what was obviously meant by the post instead of grandstanding?

Nobody thinks TN2HSV meant "all of Birmingham's woes" literally meant all of Birmingham's woes. She quite obviously was discussing the topic at hand which was the ability to attract companies and jobs. You've been quite clear that you believe Bentley has had it in for Birmingham on this front while favoring Huntsville (though I haven't really read why you think Bentley would be doing this).

So why was Birmingham struggling (relatively speaking) for decades prior to Bentley's reign?

I agree with TN2HSV; From my perspective, it looks like sour grapes. Really, really, childish sour grapes. But you have the opportunity to enlighten us, so go for it.

[preguntas]

Twisted thinking.


Over the past two decades Birmingham metro has acquired about fifteen thousand new jobs in the adjacent counties and in Jefferson. These are excellent paying jobs, and some are even better. Some of these are in the MSA and others are in the CMSA.
Twisted minds like to argue those jobs don't belong to Birmingham in spite of the fact that most employees ended buying houses in Jefferson and of course doing most of their business there.


The most recent large announcements in Madison have actually been for Limestone and yet no one questions 'where' these jobs are.
I do understand that many people on the forum are not very well versed in geopolitical issues, which explains part of this double standard. On the other hand most of it seems to come from people who somehow just can't except the fact that one city is the center of a real urban area and the other is a conglomeration of suburbs. It really is a silly argument, on a multitude of levels.

[TN2HSV]

Originally Posted by preguntas

Twisted thinking.


Over the past two decades Birmingham metro has acquired about fifteen thousand new jobs in the adjacent counties and in Jefferson. These are excellent paying jobs, and some are even better. Some of these are in the MSA and others are in the CMSA.
Twisted minds like to argue those jobs don't belong to Birmingham in spite of the fact that most employees ended buying houses in Jefferson and of course doing most of their business there.


The most recent large announcements in Madison have actually been for Limestone and yet no one questions 'where' these jobs are.
I do understand that many people on the forum are not very well versed in geopolitical issues, which explains part of this double standard. On the other hand most of it seems to come from people who somehow just can't except the fact that one city is the center of a real urban area and the other is a conglomeration of suburbs. It really is a silly argument, on a multitude of levels.

Polaris and Remington are both in the city of HSV. HSV has been annexing land in Limestone Co. (The city of Madison is basically land-locked at this point.) So now we have both Madison city limits and Huntsville city limits both straddling the Limestone county/Madison county line.

So yes, these jobs ARE in Huntsville, whether good, bad or indifferent. Maybe you need to brush up on your North AL geography before you start throwing shade.

Yes, B'ham is a real URBAN area. That wasn't even being argued. You can have that title, since you think it's so important. HSV isn't striving to be like B'ham.

[steveklein]

So in 20 years, the area has attracted 15,000 new jobs? Am I the only person that thinks that is really, really, really poor job growth? That's one new job for every 70 people in the metro area over that timeframe?

I'd love to see how Charlotte, Raleigh, Nashville, Atlanta, et. al. have fared over that same time.

EDIT: Just looked up Raleigh because it was easy to find. Since 2001, depending on the source, they have added between 150,000 and 200,000 jobs.

[MPC]

How can the area only create 15,000 new jobs in 20 years? The metro grew by 200,000 since then.

[Shakeesha]

Originally Posted by Tourian

That's great, but what makes Huntsville your "favorite" and why? Reminding you of Tennessee is it?

It is much like Tennessee. Many of the residential and shopping areas even feel the same. Outside of that, I like Huntsville because the people are nice and welcoming. The growth, energy, and pro business environment is also very attractive when considering places to live or even visit. I like newer vibrant areas, in that sense, Huntsville definitely feels different from other cities such as Birmingham and Montgomery, I don't mean that to sound negative toward those cities, just an observation.

[Tourian]

Originally Posted by steveklein

Then why don't you just respond to what was obviously meant by the post instead of grandstanding?

Nobody thinks TN2HSV meant "all of Birmingham's woes" literally meant all of Birmingham's woes. She quite obviously was discussing the topic at hand which was the ability to attract companies and jobs. You've been quite clear that you believe Bentley has had it in for Birmingham on this front while favoring Huntsville (though I haven't really read why you think Bentley would be doing this).

So why was Birmingham struggling (relatively speaking) for decades prior to Bentley's reign?

I agree with TN2HSV; From my perspective, it looks like sour grapes. Really, really, childish sour grapes. But you have the opportunity to enlighten us, so go for it.

I don't do mind reading. So if someone needs to twist and be obtuse to try to argue because they can't do it straight up and straight forward they aren't worth my time. I said what i said. Go back and read it. Then read it again. Then get someone else to read it to you.

[Tourian]

Originally Posted by Shakeesha

It is much like Tennessee. Many of the residential and shopping areas even feel the same. Outside of that, I like Huntsville because the people are nice and welcoming. The growth, energy, and pro business environment is also very attractive when considering places to live or even visit. I like newer vibrant areas, in that sense, Huntsville definitely feels different from other cities such as Birmingham and Montgomery, I don't mean that to sound negative toward those cities, just an observation.

Huntsville does not have the lock on "new vibrant areas" nor "nice and welcoming people." It sounds to me like it could easily fit in as a nondescript Nashville suburb full of strip centers.

But thanks for your reply.