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Old 08-27-2013, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Birmingham
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But...the Northern Beltline is part of the ADHS and that money can only be spent on ADHS projects. Not wherever you want.
It is going to keep coming back to this no matter what. Other pressing projects ARE ongoing. People still drive cars. Pinson, graysville etc will benefit and prosper as will the entire metro. Saying those towns cant afford to build anything to take advantage if it is silly. Private enterprise handles that.

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Old 09-30-2013, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Birmingham
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AL reports that the army corps of engineers has approved the permit for the first segment of the NB - a small segment between 75 and 79 out in Pinson.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:55 AM
 
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AL reports that the army corps of engineers has approved the permit for the first segment of the NB - a small segment between 75 and 79 out in Pinson.

Actually they reiterated their approval based on needing to verify coming back in for more land did not introduce new issues.
This section includes a strip of my land by Marsh Mountain. They came back and bought more land at the end of last year due to increasing the number of lanes from Trussville to Gardendale.

The original study was so wide that in most places the increased land did not fall outside the original approval. All a technicality.

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Old 10-01-2013, 05:26 AM
 
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It figures that the story I read wouldn't have any finer details like that. It could change the perception of the project in some people's minds if they knew that kind of thought and prep were going into it. Trussville and Gardendale are the two biggest cities on that end and will undoubtedly appreciate having the extra lanes on their section of the bypass.
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Old 10-01-2013, 01:08 PM
 
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It figures that the story I read wouldn't have any finer details like that. It could change the perception of the project in some people's minds if they knew that kind of thought and prep were going into it. Trussville and Gardendale are the two biggest cities on that end and will undoubtedly appreciate having the extra lanes on their section of the bypass.
I make this trip on Black Creek Road fairly often, and it is the best route. It is somewhat like a winding country road, very pretty in most places, but is filled with people's homes. I am sure that these home owners will be glad when traffic such as mine is off their road. I will be able to make this twenty minute drive in five minutes on 422 and have access to services and help if a problem arises. On my current route there are no services and only praying for help will get you any.

You are correct. What you do or don't say does paint a certain image of the project. Such as if one person on a street does not want it, they say the neighborhood is against it. (they don't mention that the person against it is elderly and does not drive.

One can skew a story any way you want. Getting the facts helps. I just say to people; look at 459 and how well it moves traffic, how beautiful the drive is and how much economic growth it encouraged and ask what is not to like about that. The people in north Jefferson pay taxes at the gas pump weekly too, why shouldn't they have a road system from this century and for the future.

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Old 10-02-2013, 10:56 AM
 
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I have a question regarding the funding. Posters here have frequently stated that its paid for by the Feds. However this article states:
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/10/...line_to_b.html
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Until funding rules changed on Oct. 1, 2012, Appalachian system projects received dedicated funding. On that date, the current federal transportation bill became law. ALDOT has about $160 million remaining, ALDOT Director John Cooper said.

The money will be used to finish paving Interstate 22 (formerly known as Corridor X) and Alabama 24 (also known as Corridor V).

There will be enough remaining to build the first Northern Beltline segment without the department having to seek additional funding, Cooper said.

Harris said Monday that projects approved prior to September 2022 are eligible for no-match federal dollars.

Asked whether building the beltline's cost will require delays on other projects, Cooper said all projects compete for funding.

"This is a mega project," Cooper said. "It has huge overriding significance to the longer-term well-being of this area. We have to find a way to fund it."
Does this mean that only a portion of the highway is covered? How much?
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Old 10-02-2013, 11:21 AM
 
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Here's my question. Why will the damned thing take 30 years to build?
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Old 10-02-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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I have a question regarding the funding. Posters here have frequently stated that its paid for by the Feds. However this article states:
Bentley: Northern Beltline to be built 'the most environmentally responsible way possible' (updated, photos) | al.com


Does this mean that only a portion of the highway is covered? How much?
Seems ambiguous to me. They way I understand it is that Bachus or Shelby whoever got the funds allocated from the Feds prior to the new law. We being a donor state means we only have to put in so much to get a multiple number of that amount back. That may be why they claim it will take that long to build.

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Here's my question. Why will the damned thing take 30 years to build?
financing? Sink hole abatement? Blasting? I believe they want the segment between 65 and 59 to be done in 10.
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Metro Birmingham, AL
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Here's my question. Why will the damned thing take 30 years to build?
Look at the route and the terrain challenges builders will face. That might answer your question.
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:01 PM
 
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i with both sides on this i mean nothing but good can come from building this road and at the same time that money which is federal dollars if you don't take it could be given to another state, but 5 billion could do wonders in this state for other projects as well
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