Idahfornia (Boise: insurance, homes, college)

[Sage of Sagle]

Originally Posted by Jenkins1301

Sorry there is a pretty big difference between the values of conservative in california and those of us here in idaho. California conservatives are just the democrats of the 70s and 80s.

This is the mirror image of Californians who think all Idahoans are ignorant slack-jawed inbred yokels...and about as accurate. Good job there, buddy...

Where we moved from (Inland Empire, SoCal), an awful lot of folks around us were EASILY as conservative as Idaho, and I mean LDS southeast Idaho...not just Metro Boise Idaho. Church, family, guns, horses, etc. Just like Idaho...

I was born and raised in coastal Orange County, but my family is from Nebraska farm country...with the exception of hunting (there's only one forest in all of Nebraska, and it was man-made), it was awfully close to Idaho in other regards...and I knew a lot folks the same way.

And here in North Idaho...a good 1/3 to 1/2 of the people in this area are FROM California...and 90% of those are just as conservative as the folks who have always been here (with the exception of a the folks in Sandpoint proper who tend to more artsy-liberal but still has a probably 2/3 conservative majority).

So from my view, you're either speaking from informational ignorance of the masses of true conservatives in California, or you're just refusing to believe that ANYONE could be as conservative as you (like that's some big "contest" of a person's value to society), either way it's sort of a badly skewed view since it just makes you "better" than everyone outside your narrow scope of acceptability. I think that's a pretty ugly view of people...

[redwhiteblue]

Originally Posted by Jenkins1301

Sorry there is a pretty big difference between the values of conservative in california and those of us here in idaho. California conservatives are just the democrats of the 70s and 80s. Idaho is the most conservative state in the USA. Yeah Boise is very liberal in terms of idaho second only to Blaine county (sun valley ketchum hailey area). We want to keep the war against muslim extremists on their land not ours. Get the illegals out of here and speak english. Sure some people from california have the views that alot of idahoans have and they get along just fine, those that are liberals hate idaho because of what we stand for. Those are the ones who should go back to california

Wow talk about a blanket statement! I think you would be hard pressed to find a more conservative family than mine and yes I am from CA.

It's really ridiculous to think that everyone from CA thinks the same way, last time I checked CA had millions of people and just some of those may be just as conservative as Idahoans.

I agree some people that move from one state to another should not try to duplicate the one they just left BUT on that same idea just because someone thinks of a better way to do something or states their opinion and they happen to be from CA does not mean they are a flaming lib that's trying to change Boise.

People need to remember it's the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA we can move where we please and should not be punished if we are from CA.

[Greensleeves]

Originally Posted by Mousetrap

People need to remember it's the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA we can move where we please and should not be punished if we are from CA.

APPLAUSE, APPLAUSE!!!

Or Washington, for that matter!

[Syringaloid]

Everytime I see this thread bumped I think of that song by the Red Hot Chili Peppers: Californication.

[maui08]

Aloha

I look on this thread from time to time and had to respond to this issue. Why are so many people upset with the Californians moving into "their" state(s)....? Shouldn't you be more concerned about the illegals moving into your state(s) then Americans who simply move around?!

As an old Army veteran, we moved all over the place and continued to travel once out of the service. Every state we ventured to had people we met that were from somewhere else. So what!

How sorry for the people who are born and raised somewhere and never leave to explore all the wonderful places to see and live in this great country. I applaude those folks and families who have the guts to take a risk and move out of their comfort zone for something new.

Having been in Hawaii for many years now, I can't tell you how many people how moved here from all over the world and changed this island. Some still get upset but most simply embrace the newcomers. -By the way, for those who get their feathers ruffled for people moving into "their" state.....remember how you acted towards them if the day ever comes that you move somewhere and are looking for support from the local people.

[stingraynm]

Originally Posted by maui08

Aloha

I look on this thread from time to time and had to respond to this issue. Why are so many people upset with the Californians moving into "their" state(s)....? Shouldn't you be more concerned about the illegals moving into your state(s) then Americans who simply move around?!

As an old Army veteran, we moved all over the place and continued to travel once out of the service. Every state we ventured to had people we met that were from somewhere else. So what!

How sorry for the people who are born and raised somewhere and never leave to explore all the wonderful places to see and live in this great country. I applaude those folks and families who have the guts to take a risk and move out of their comfort zone for something new.

Having been in Hawaii for many years now, I can't tell you how many people how moved here from all over the world and changed this island. Some still get upset but most simply embrace the newcomers. -By the way, for those who get their feathers ruffled for people moving into "their" state.....remember how you acted towards them if the day ever comes that you move somewhere and are looking for support from the local people.

Most Idahoans agree with you. The only reasonable sentiment against transplants is based on how they react to and treat the place they move. The rest is as silly to Idahoans as it is to any reasonable, civil person. I always welcomed newcomers when I lived in Idaho, and only got put off when they couldn't adjust/accept Idaho and its citizens in reciprocation for the welcome.

I'm glad that the vast majority of New Mexicans have welcomed me, and the occasional bitter/ignorant Mexican/Hispanic folks are just as much a joke to me as I'm sure a bitterly exclusionary Islander is a joke to you. The superficially exclusionary types are never of much social worth to their region/citizenry anyway, hence the reason they have to choose such a petty, superficial distinction for their prejudice.

[Jarndyce]

I consider Idaho to be more Libertarian than "Republican" in the sense of a George W Bush Republican. I don't see "evangelical Republicans" around here. I see plenty of gun-totters and plenty of christian churches but I also see and hear these Idahoans feeling anger at Republicans over Gas and the sinking economy.

California is facing bankruptcy today because of Republicans, not Democrats. The greatest thing that California could do would be to overturn Prop 13. California was #1 in the Nation in Education before Prop 13. Post Prop 13--California public schools sunk to 48th Nationally. Hmmm...

[DESERTRYDER]

Jarndyce is only telling half the story.
Yes prop 13 has cut some of the school budget but the influx of of hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students has really put the squeeze on our schools.
Don't blame it all on prop 13. It keeps the left wing in check or our property tax would be 0verwhelming.

[stingraynm]

Originally Posted by DESERTRYDER

Jarndyce is only telling half the story.
Yes prop 13 has cut some of the school budget but the influx of of hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students has really put the squeeze on our schools.
Don't blame it all on prop 13. It keeps the left wing in check or our property tax would be 0verwhelming.

As someone now living in New Mexico, I agree that illegal immigration is becoming a big problem. I say we make it easier for them to become citizens so we can integrate them into our tax system and they can carry their weight. Also, at that point we could develop stricter punishments for those that come in illegally and thereby skew our economy, 'cause they're coming anyway.

I know what most people will say, and I don't care for the tired economic arguments due to two prevailing facts. For one, they tend to do jobs that American citizens (even teenagers) don't want to do. Of course, that argument is rather cliche. The real reason is that the same people who go on and on about immigration tend to support out-sourcing, which has a MUCH more profound effect on our job market than people who are willing to do our "dirty work" for a pittance.

I'm as libertarian as the next native Idahoan, but that contradiction just goes to show that most people who don't want illegal immigrants becoming citizens have been spoon-fed their economic logic, 'cause the real Minutemen should be auditing the books of corporations that send massive sums of American money overseas and trying to stop the "illegal" factor instead of the "immigration" factor. Make them join us and taxes and pay will be better compensated, thus eliminating the problems that make these immigrants an economic scourge in the first place.

If you look at the facts from a well-informed, educated standpoint, the contrast between the effect of out-sourcing vs. the effect of immigration is staggering. The only reason immigration is a problem would be the "illegal" part, just look at any European, Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, or Latin American legit immigration statistics to see that legal immigrants are actually a good thing. The bad effects are all due to barriers to proper integration that lead to illegal - and thereby unaccountable - integration. Farmers and clean-up sites that want cheap labor are throwing around a lot less money than multi-national corporations, too. As far as the disaster that will ensue in our market here at home, the difference goes to show that people against the immigration of Mexicans are being spoon-fed with distractions by the media.

You're likely right about the Californian academic statistics, though, 'cause illegal immigrants are VERY likely to skew the entire educational system with their lack of tax donations but adding extra heads to classroooms, not to mention what they do to test statistics without a proper background/tutoring to get them up-to-speed with their grade level.

[norcalmom101]

Originally Posted by DESERTRYDER

Jarndyce is only telling half the story.
Yes prop 13 has cut some of the school budget but the influx of of hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students has really put the squeeze on our schools.
Don't blame it all on prop 13. It keeps the left wing in check or our property tax would be 0verwhelming.

I was a kid when prop 13 passed. No more rec centers at the parks, that is what I remember, my place to go after school gone overnight. Illegal immigrants had nothing to do with that.