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Old 05-14-2014, 03:46 PM
 
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You presumably already know some of the reasons:
- Amazon doesn't treat his employees particularly well
- Amazon drives independent booksellers out of business
- Amazon undermines the tax base in your town
- Amazon eliminates the pleasant social connections of physical bookstores
- Amazon keeps tabs on you

etc.

However, here's something new: Amazon is trying control what you read by trying to steer you to/away from particular books and publishers, which strikes me as contemptible.



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/10/te...ette-spat.html

Amazonís secret campaign to discourage customers from buying books by Hachette, one of the big New York publishers, burst into the open on Friday...

Among Amazonís tactics against Hachette, some of which it has been employing for months, are charging more for its books and suggesting that readers might enjoy instead a book from another author. If customers for some reason persist and buy a Hachette book anyway, Amazon is saying it will take weeks to deliver it.
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Hmm. Amazon.ca and Amazon.uk don't appear to be affected. http://www.amazon.ca/Tipping-Point-L...lcolm+gladwell this offers next day shipping.
Outliers: The Story of Success: Malcolm Gladwell: 9780316017930: Amazon.com: Books

The US site doesn't.

The Guardian says their UK site isn't affected either. Publisher accuses Amazon.com of deliberately delaying sending its books | Books | theguardian.com

And here's another POV from Forbes.
Here's Why People Shouldn't Freak Out About The Amazon-Hachette Fight - Forbes

Apparently they have done the same in the past to the little so-called indie writers. Don't get me wrong. I worry about Amazon getting too big. But perhaps in this case, in the corporate world, what they are now apparently doing is not particularly newsworthy from a corporate standpoint.
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Old 05-15-2014, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Maine
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You presumably already know some of the reasons:
- Amazon doesn't treat his employees particularly well
Understatement of the year.

I have friends who worked for Amazon. It isn't just that Amazon doesn't treat its employees well. It's downright Dickensian. Amazon isn't just a cut throat business environment. It's Evil. Even pirates let the crew share in the booty. Amazon doesn't even have that much integrity.
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Old 05-15-2014, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Maine
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What's that? Forbes coming to the defense of a corporation that makes millions by mistreating its own employees? I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked!

Seriously though. If Forbes magazine had been around in 1860, they would have been running articles titled: "Y'all simma down now. This ol' slav'ry ain't so bad. Whah them slaves get two meals a day and a roof ovah their head. They oughtta be --- I say --- they oughtta be more grateful."
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Old 05-15-2014, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Canada
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^^That is of course, a point. I'm really not a particular fan of Amazon but I wonder whether what they are doing is worse than what every other company does when it's renegotiating something? To be honest, I really have never believed that companies grow that big by treating their employees well. ANY company. I think there's some kind of saying about how behind any old family money is a crook no matter how the later generations dress themselves up in charitable socialite clothing, and I think the same about companies, although in the case of companies, it may be the reverse - that many companies start off with good intentions but when they get really, really big, companies and the notion of corporate morality are oxymorons.
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Old 05-15-2014, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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amazon (it's properly all lower case) has consistently refused to censor politically unpopular works. If it's in print or often out of print amazon has it and will sell it. Could anyone make that claim about any other bookseller, particularly local booksellers? I recall one worthy in Evergreen, Colorado who broadcast to all that she would carry nothing on weapons in her store.

It's irrelevant whether you buy works on arms. But do you wish to deal with sellers who may not wish you to read material that they don't like?

Take the test. Search for any book you wish on amazon, particularly controversial; you'll find it. Search for something obscure and nearly unknown; you'll find it. The only people who hate amazon are either those who preach the doctrine that there are things that people shouldn't read or the sheep who follow that doctrine.

amazon is the intellectual freedom store.

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Old 05-15-2014, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Maine
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I really have never believed that companies grow that big by treating their employees well. ANY company.
Probably. My first "real" job was for a successful start up that had a big hit and grown fairly large very fast. It surely had its problems, but by and large it was a great place to work and treated its employees well. Then they were bought out by Hasbro, the "family friendly" company that makes 40% of your kids' toys. Stockholders made millions, and the employees got screwed. Salaries plummeted. Benefits were slashed. And annual layoffs --- right before Christmas, no less! --- are now the norm.

I now work for a small independently owned company. It isn't without fault, but I know the owner by name and he knows me. I am not just a number on his bi-annual spreadsheet.

But just so everyone knows, if you spend your money at Amazon, you're feeding a big fat robber baron.
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Old 05-15-2014, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Maine
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amazon should call itself the intellectual freedom store.
Kind of like pornographers, eh?
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Old 05-15-2014, 10:42 AM
 
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Doesn't everybody know about Powell's Books as the Amazon alternative? Please, people!
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Old 05-15-2014, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Understatement of the year.

I have friends who worked for Amazon. It isn't just that Amazon doesn't treat its employees well. It's downright Dickensian. Amazon isn't just a cut throat business environment. It's Evil. Even pirates let the crew share in the booty. Amazon doesn't even have that much integrity.
I wonder what the possibility is that there's a personality conflict at play between Hatchette and Amazon? With neither the UK nor the Canadian Amazon affected, it was something that crossed my mind. Not that I'm saying that excuses Amazon, but people are still people and some people will never like other people. Or maybe it's just that the US Amazon is the big cheese and the Hatchette NY is the big cheese and so that is just where ground zero is.

Ach. Just a thought. I think I answered my own question.
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