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Old 12-28-2010, 11:36 PM
 
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To me, Boston is culturally diverse, but not really racially diverse on the scale of most major American cities. That is the same boat I would put Seattle in.
I'm going to disagree - Boston is as racially diverse as NYC (both about 25% Black, whereas Seattle is only 8% Black). But for some reason Black people are much more "visible" in NYC than in Boston. In a couple of earlier posts I mentioned that you just don't see Black folks in the city, but a couple of posters have disputed that. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Perhaps what I am trying to describe is that Boston has a smaller Black middle class than other major cities. Not sure if that's true, but it would explain why Black Boston residents are less visible to outsiders.

 
Old 12-29-2010, 12:08 AM
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It wouldn't be a "big deal" if the area was all-White for reasons other than Hate. For example, Minnesota is a pretty White state, but the Blacks who are from that area have nothing negative to say about how they were/are treated. However Boston has earned their reputation from the way they behaved during the 70s "busing" situation.
The 70's was 40 long years ago. And it's stupid to hold a grudge so long over the behaviour of a few ignorant blue collar white people. In the 70's, I was going to grade school in Concord, MA and everyone there was very welcoming of the black METCO students... even though those students weren't very nice back to the rest of us. The black girls would insult the overweight white girls in my gym class. And we also had a black family that was helped to buy a house in my neighborhood. They ended up defaulting on their mortgage payments and they also trashed the inside of their house before they left. Their youngest son used to pick on my youngest sister (we're Chinese) in class. So I just don't see blacks as being the only victims in the 70's.

Of the black people I work with, they seem really comfortable living and working in the Boston area. I highly doubt that what happened in the 70's ever crosses their minds. One black woman even moved up from VA recently in order to give her kids a better quality of life... even though it meant leaving behind her three kids' baby daddy behind.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 07:20 AM
 
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Panther, one Boston factor that doesn't apply as much in NYC and Phila is the limits on the city limits. Center City Philadelphia is surrounded by Philly neighborhoods on all sides for miles south, north, and west; and NYC is similarly encompassing. Boston is only complete as a city to the south; on the west is Brookline, Newton, Cambridge, etc.; and on the north more separate cities. So the people who live within a six or ten mile radius of the statehouse come from a much bigger population than the city of Boston's 600K and none of those separate cities and towns have anything close to the 25% black population in Boston.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 10:26 AM
 
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There is a strong difference between diversity and actually "being" diverse.

Having a area of a demographic (white, black, asia etc) is actually a form of segregation (granted by choice) rather than diversity. It is natural that immigrant community gather with one another...for awhile. But eventually the concept gets old. Naturally you are going to see diversity in education because frankly all demographics want to get educated! A school cannot legally discriminate so logically it has to be diverse (unless you assume that price is a barrier)

If you want to see diversity by want rather than something they are born into I'd recommend going to Foxwoods. Everyone in a casino wants to be there, granted for different reasons. I saw more diversity there than anywhere in new england..it was on par with nyc
 
Old 12-29-2010, 10:57 AM
 
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The 70's was 40 long years ago. And it's stupid to hold a grudge so long over the behaviour of a few ignorant blue collar white people. In the 70's, I was going to grade school in Concord, MA and everyone there was very welcoming of the black METCO students... even though those students weren't very nice back to the rest of us. The black girls would insult the overweight white girls in my gym class. And we also had a black family that was helped to buy a house in my neighborhood. They ended up defaulting on their mortgage payments and they also trashed the inside of their house before they left. Their youngest son used to pick on my youngest sister (we're Chinese) in class. So I just don't see blacks as being the only victims in the 70's.
So according to you it's "stupid" to hold a grudge for 40 years, yet you are able to clearly recite several incidents from 40 years ago that personally affected you? Just like you excuse the bus-tossing incidents as "the behavior of a few ignorant blue-collar White people," I could make a similar claim about the few ignorant Black folks who bullied you and yours.

But the fact that those "few ignorant blue collar White people" absolutely felt empowered to behave the way they did, tells us much about the culture of Boston at that time. That being said, Boston today would never put up with that kind of behavior. But it's difficult to live down that history.

40 years really isn't that long. Those people who fought against integration aren't dead. They are today's grandparents, in their 60s and 70s.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 11:02 AM
 
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Here's what I think. Since we live so close to each other, lets all meet up and see what diversity looks like!
 
Old 12-29-2010, 02:45 PM
 
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Here's what I think. Since we live so close to each other, lets all meet up and see what diversity looks like!
I understand that you're tired and exhausted of reading about race, and you feel that if people would just stop talking about it, racial hatred would go away on its own.

Maybe, maybe not. I happen to feel that the only way to solve a problem is to get it out into the open, discuss it, propose solutions, pick the best solutions, and implement them. This is what I do everyday at work. The problems I ignore at work are always the ones that come back and bite me - they don;t go away, they just get bigger and more difficult and painful to solve. And I always find myself saying "Why didn't I just deal with this sooner?"

So in that vein, I challenge you and others to go back to the original question - "Why do people view Boston as not diverse?" I have placed a few proposals out there (mainly that what happened in the 70s has left an indelible imprint that Boston has been trying to live down ever since).

Arguing that Boston really IS diverse does not address the question. Why do people feel that it is not?

Please take a swipe at the question.
 
Old 01-02-2011, 11:42 AM
miu
 
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So according to you it's "stupid" to hold a grudge for 40 years, yet you are able to clearly recite several incidents from 40 years ago that personally affected you? Just like you excuse the bus-tossing incidents as "the behavior of a few ignorant blue-collar White people," I could make a similar claim about the few ignorant Black folks who bullied you and yours.

But the fact that those "few ignorant blue collar White people" absolutely felt empowered to behave the way they did, tells us much about the culture of Boston at that time. That being said, Boston today would never put up with that kind of behavior. But it's difficult to live down that history.

40 years really isn't that long. Those people who fought against integration aren't dead. They are today's grandparents, in their 60s and 70s.
There's a big difference from remembering personal history in a neutral fashion and holding a grudge in an emotional manner. I just happen to be someone with an elephant's memory about my life.

As to your last post, it's really no concern of mine if there is an occasional person thinks that Boston is not diverse. I don't think that there's any diversity problems to solve. I don't want to waste my precious time on this earth with diversity concerns that don't affect me at all.

As a Chinese person, I've only encountered a handful of racial insults thrown my way. I never took any of it to heart. Those that threw those verbal racial epithets are indeed ignorant people that are a minuscule percentage of the whole US population. And I never encountered those strangers ever again. I do live by the old adage "sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me". And I can accept and live with not every single person on this planet liking and accepting me.

I like where I live now. The neighborhood is extremely safe and my neighbors respectful and quiet. It's mostly a white area, but I am one of three Chinese families in the immediate vicinity. There are also a couple of traditional Italian residents. We have an Indian family and one lesbian couple too. About two blocks away, there are some Hispanic families and one black family. And all this happened naturally and without any open discussions.

And racial tolerance for all is important, but it's certainly not the only intolerance issue to work on. Just as important (to me) are issues of sexism, ageism and the various clashes between those of different religious faiths. I'd actually say that I am more concerned about organized religion ruining my world and male chauvinism holding me back from equal rights and fair pay and work opportunities.

Anyway, I'm tired of this thread and I'm not interested in making mountains out of molehills over a few people perceiving Boston to be very white when it's not. For an example of a very white city, check out Portland, OR. Go pester them. And I also don't feel a need to apologize for events that happened so many years ago. If you want to wallow in the past, then go ahead. But I refuse to join you.
 
Old 01-02-2011, 07:33 PM
 
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Maybe because Boston isn't that diverse. If you want to tally the color of people's skin and politically correct ethno-centrism, it might be okay.

But find me a bar where I can hear country dancehall, a good bluegrass band? Even classic blues? A palsey jazz scene. Too much Americana I gues. Where to people solicit the opinions of Mormans and Baptist? Are there any? In a city that brags about its "diversity" - give me two good BBQ joints in the whole city. Where can you go to a bar and here social conservatives, traditional conservatives and libertarian conervatives debate politics. Actually, where can you go without getting scorn and ridicule for being a conervative period. Diversity my ass.

You can try so hard to find exotic foods to be cool, but in this "diverse" city can someone find great, authentic bratwhurst, how about delicious Polish Kielbasa, authentic Portuguese chourice... Or is that just imperial white privilege food. I know, we need one more Thai restaurant to prove how cool we are... Again, diversity my ass. Everyone thinks the same and tries to be the same.
 
Old 01-03-2011, 06:18 AM
 
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If you actually want good BBQ you have to go down south. What we call BBQ isn't close then again what they call BBQ in other areas (europe and asia) isn't remotely close.

"Where can you go to a bar and here social conservatives, traditional conservatives and libertarian conervatives debate politics"

Usually every month or so. Look up the various campaigns for liberty on facebook. There's a meeting every month or so. I went to the one at the Rattlesnake lounge.

"Actually, where can you go without getting scorn and ridicule for being a conervative period."

School. I finished up my undergrad in political science. In one class we read Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau and Marx. By the time we got to marx we were laughing at him because it was so obvious he made the book to get $$. The tide turned years ago. Yes Obama got into office but there was also Scott Brown. Obama is to politics what the New Monkeys was to 80's rock.

The left doesn't have anything they can say at this point. Here's a few examples

The so called assault weapons ban ended...the crime rate stayed the same

Cash for clunkers only increased mpg by 0.8 mpg and resulted in used car prices increasing 10%

The free state health care in mass ends in a few years. To argue someone cannot afford to pay 5 cents for a doctors visit doesn't make sense. Furthermore those on it are much less apt to vote anyway.

Anyone advocating for Obama is attempting to get people to disprove negatives (saying the recovery act "saved" the economy..um no). He hasn't ended the war on drugs, the war on terrorism, closed camp x ray..still have troops in iraq and afganistan. He hasn't done much of anything or at least what would warrant two years of being in office. The health care bit is going to be struck down because you cannot force people to buy something on a federal scale. In terms of making it a "right". Well what right does someone have to another persons labor..and do so without using force. Well with force that is called slavery!

Obama doesn't believe in public education...how? He sends his daughters to private schools just like any president before him.

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In terms of taxation this where they really don't make any sense. Just ask someone if the rich prop up the poor or the poor prop up the rich.. if the poor prop up the rich then simply go on mass strikes and do boycotts.

Income taxes make the presumption not just if someone is making income (poor don't pay income taxes obviously) but what if someone simply made enough and doesn't pay (which is why billionares don't pay..at that point it is simply capital gains)

lukec if someone on the left gives you crap then simply state this:
democrat ww 1, democrat ww 2, democrat korea, democrat vietnam. What party opposed the civil rights act again?
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