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Old 11-26-2010, 10:46 AM
 
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My friend just returned from Boston. He is Italian American. He loved the North end, and Revere, but hated Southie. He got into a fight in a bar, after another patron asked where he was from and if he was Italian. I am both Italian and Irish, and have been to Boston and figured most of that white ethnic racism had gone away. Is this still prevalent there?
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Old 11-26-2010, 12:28 PM
 
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I think your friend was telling you a tall tale.
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Old 11-26-2010, 03:37 PM
 
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I dont think he was. Are barfights in Southie really that rare?
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Old 11-26-2010, 03:40 PM
 
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Not at all. Saw one Wednesday night.
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Old 11-27-2010, 07:42 AM
 
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I take it you feel as though there is little anti italian sentiment in Southie? That my friend experienced an isolated incident? Just filling in blanks, literaly!
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:18 AM
 
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I don't think it's that prevalent. Bar fights aren't representative of an entire area, they're representative of the people involved. I've seen plenty of them.

Bar fights are generally anything but random. It takes two to have a bar fight (otherwise it's just someone getting jumped) and each individual involved ALWAYS thinks the other person is at fault. I've never been in a bar fight, but I've had chances if I wanted to. They're generally fairly easy to avoid.

I don't know your friend. I don't know his situation. I also don't doubt that there are probably still a few holdovers in South Boston who have an anti-Italian sentiment (and it's probably drawn out even further by just how much the neighborhood as a whole has gentrified). Still, it's been my experience that MOST (not all, but most) people putting on the tough guy act in Southie bars are kids from Holbrook, Melrose, Lynnfield, Dedham and other 'burbs putting on their thickest accents and doing their best departed impression. It's sickening to say the least.

I don't think anyone here can say with 100% certainty that there aren't still any Irish folks in Southie who don't care for Italians. However, it's certainly not the norm for persons of any ethnic/racial background to be given a hard time in the neighborhood. That's not the norm. Certainly not like it was a few decades ago. Yes. I think your friend experienced an isolated incident. I also doubt that anyone on either side was entirely innocent. Generally, there is no "innocent" party in a bar fight.
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:54 AM
 
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Thanks for your thoughful reply. I agree with most of what you said. My friend is not the type to start anything, but he will and can definitely finish it. I am sure your right, he could have walked away, but he was insulted for his ethnic background, and felt his pride was on the line....whatever. I'll never know I wasnt there. I just found it strange, as I thought the irish and italians of Boston were pretty mixed together by now.
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Old 11-30-2010, 05:11 AM
 
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I am black and I dont feel safe going to a bar in South Boston . I have seen alot of anti-black crap going on in South Boston . Irish day parade is the worst time for blacks who live, work or visiting South Boston. I not saying all South Boston folks are racist but there is a few South Boston racist folk who make Southie look like the bussing days .
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Thanks for your thoughful reply. I agree with most of what you said. My friend is not the type to start anything, but he will and can definitely finish it. I am sure your right, he could have walked away, but he was insulted for his ethnic background, and felt his pride was on the line....whatever. I'll never know I wasnt there. I just found it strange, as I thought the irish and italians of Boston were pretty mixed together by now.
Half of my friends have Italian mothers and Irish fathers. So, beyond the old neighborhood battles there is no hate between the two ethnicities.
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I am black and I dont feel safe going to a bar in South Boston . I have seen alot of anti-black crap going on in South Boston . Irish day parade is the worst time for blacks who live, work or visiting South Boston. I not saying all South Boston folks are racist but there is a few South Boston racist folk who make Southie look like the bussing days .
Well, as a white guy living in Ashmont, and I would never go anywhere west of my neighborhood after dark. It's all relative.
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