Hey! Some black people do like Boston! (Cambridge, Lynn: schools, college)
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This is pretty much exactly what I'm saying. Generalized Boston culture is not predominately or even moderately associated with African American culture, so in that respected it might as well be "Portland." Bostonians are concerned with the Back Bays and the Beacon Hills and that's not going to open up social doors for most African Americans in the Boston area.
Well i havent met one person here who is into back bay yet...most people i know here live in cambridge and jp areas. And i know black peopl who are from here who love boston and are fans of the teams here as well. But people have to stop comparing it to places ike philly. Philly is freaking huge. Its the 6th largest city in the u.s. Not many people realize that. There are way more people there than boston. So ofcourse u will see more black people there.
And even though there are more black people there i have a friend who lives near there and even she said philly may be more black but its racist as hell. She said south street is very particular and philly has irish pubs too just like boston does. She said they have their upper crust society too who look down on those who dont have money, and she said thats weird because the majority of people she knows in philly are lower middle class, so she doesnt understand that.
As for african american culture...i dont even wanna her it, i just came from a place that doesnt do anything on MLK day, instead they have people dress up in confederate gear in front of the courthouse! On freaking MLK day. There is no such thing as a caribbean festival or mlk parade or dominican festival in columbia, sc. Yeah lots of black folk there but ur history and culture is not acknowledged there at all. Yet they block off the entire downtown in sc for st. pattys day. So yes to me Boston is a slice of heaven. Go live in sc for a few years like i did and you wil be begging to come back. The biggest mistake i ever made was moving down south, thinking cheaper was better...not so much.
Yes.....almost every major movie about Boston seems to dwell on Irish culture. Then there are the Kennedys. I can see why blacks around the country would wonder what the heck was going on in BeanTown, lol. The racial problems of the 1970s did a number on Boston's reputation. and until the last several years many black athletes avoided the area & would request not to be traded to Boston. God.....I have not thought of Donna Summer in years. She was big back in the day
Yeah i think when i mentioned donna summer to my friends and they didnt know who she was, i realized i was getting older lol. The Kennedys did a lot to help with civil rights..sad that whole family seems cursed though, sad jfk didnt live to see civil rights movement actually accomplish things. Yeah the busing incident was bad...seems people cant move past that.
It was worse in the south though, here that was one incident, in the south blacks were tormented for years and hell they still dont consider blacks to be much of anything today, and to prove that they still fly confederate flags. Black people went all the way down to sc to protest for them to take the flag down and white people called them all kind of ******s and the flag is still there flying around. I hated seeing that flag. Its sad just last year before i came here i saw a guy wearing a shirt in sc with the confederate flag and it said "never apologize for being white"...thats when i knew it was time to go back north.
I understand what you are saying..but this is not vermont. there are plenty of black people here. I dont know where u lived when u lived here or how long ago this was..but i see black people all the time. On the train..at the mall..resturants..clubs...maybe its not as many black people u r used to. I dont understand how u didnt have that option here when i see black people all the time. I also had a guy friend who lived here and he was black and he had no problem finding dates here. So again I dont know where u went or where u hung out, but i havent had that problem. Then again im open, and i hang out in all types of establishments. You should go to sc..if u think boston was bad..go there. There is no such thing as a black bar in columbia...yes there are more black people there, but if you want places to hang out where other blacks hang out, there isnt one there. The establishments are white owned. And its the south, but i wont even go into that. It seems like u like d.c which is fine, i dont like d.c. I think thats why we butt heads against this because i notice most people that like d.c dont like boston. And as for getting promoted in boston, my guy friend i was telling u about he got promoted and he was black. So it seems like ur experience here was bad, sorry about that, but mine has not been. Actually its been the best move ive ever made. But thats me.
There are also plenty of white people in Charleston, West Virginia. Surely a white lesbian from Park Slope, Brooklyn should have an easy time finding someone compatible there, no?
The complaint is not that there are NO black people at all. The complaint is that the numbers of professional black men and women are miniscule. Again, this is never an issue for white people because a professional white person is unremarkable. It's the rule, the standard, and far from the exception. It would be like pointing out the fact that a wheel is round.
And I don't remember saying that I didn't enjoy my time in Boston. If I did say that, then I recant the statement. I liked the city, but the lack of a strong, black professional class was a major strike against it. It may not be important to you, but it's very important to me. I want my children (future children) to grow up around lots of other black children who are aggressive about academic achievement. As someone who grew up going to white schools (in the "liberal" Northeast at that), I can honestly say that black children really need to see that.
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Just to give you a heads up. I waited tables for years in columbia, sc and at diff. resturants and none of them have strawberry lemonade on the menu. Can they make it...yes but servers dont wanna go ask the bartender for the syrup especially on a friday nite when the bartender is already slammed. Dont blame Boston for that, like I said this was in Columbia..same thing.
I'm going to assume this statement was written tongue-in-cheek, but I detect a bit of gravity here.
Yep Bostonmania she said that to me. NYC is ethnically mixed, but dont let that fool you. Like for instance, Bensonherst is an italian area in Brooklyn, and near flatbush ave, was mainly caribbean, and african american descent. Now they both live in brooklyn, but it will never be like jamaica plain where they live next door to each other. The italians in bensonherst couldnt stand black people, and vice versa. They were nice to me, but that was because they knew i wasnt from there and they knew i was doing my internship so i wouldnt be around too long. They yell at you and give u the meanest looks when u would walk in their hood. I walk around here in the north end, and its the complete opposite, here the italian guys talk to me and are nice.
The latina girls and the black girls in the bronx dont get along either. There was something about entitlement in nyc that people from there kept bringing up. The black girls would say rap started in their area, and the latina girls would say well we're from the bronx to so we r the birthplace of hip hop too, and the blak girls felt like the latina girls were trying to take things from them, it was crazy. Im like who cares ur both from the bronx get over it for christs sake. ONe side is not better than the other. Dominican girls who looked black got made for being called black, and lighter skinned latinas felt the darker skinned latinas were below them. Crazy stuff dude.
Actually looking back on it, there isnt a neighborhood in nyc like jamaica plain or cambridge. yikes that just hit me. If your a black female and your walking down the street not in a suit, the guys in nyc think they can pimp u, yes they assume all black women in nyc are sluts. U cant be a student in their mind. Cabs in nyc dont wanna pick up blacks either...they think u wont pay them. See this is stuff they dont show u on shows like 'sex and the city '. My landlord hurt my feelings that day..but it taught me something. It taught me that nyc was not what i thought it was, and that no matter what color u are, every race thinks they are better than someone who is black. She was very blunt, and it sucks a fat one. So when people say crap like that about boston, it takes me back to nyc, and im like dude u havent even seen real racism yet.
So basically Boston is a magical racial utopia, huh? It's like Robert Gould Shaw lead the charge towards acceptance and equality and the city never looked back, right?
Boston is known as the most racist of the East Coast cities and justifiably so. NYC and Philadelphia have both had minority mayors (Dinkins, Goode, Street and Nutter). Boston has not. The whole entire city has a surliness to it and sometimes you can't tell whether that hostility's being directed towards you because of your skin color or not. It was in Boston that I was called the N-word to my face for the first time. So we clearly have two different opinions.
Btw, going to the North End and talking about how well the "Italians" treated you is like going to Mulberry Street in Little Italy and talking about how nice all of the Italians are. The point being that there are probably few Italians left in those neighborhoods. Both places are really just yuppie enclaves/outdoor museums for out-of-towners to visit so they can grab a few cannolis and see how people from the "old country" used to live before they got a piece of the pie and high-tailed it to the burbs.
Why are you getting so fired up man? I have never heard boston referred to as that, and it doesnt seem justifiable. when i was little i lived in atlanta for almost a year and they were way more racist there, the whole city seemed segregated, and one time i was going somewhere in one of the upperclass sections and a white kid asked me in a taunting manner what a little redskin was doing in the city. i think thats the one of the only times someone referred to me being native american by calling me redskin with intention to hurt, and not to mention all the harassment between some of the white and black preschool parents. the preschool crossed lower and upperclass neighborhoods, one white woman was vehement that her son had to go to preschool with a black boy, because he was more likely to be pulled into crime when he was older or something. when i moved to malden, and then boston, there weren't tensions between the races like that, and i certainly didnt get taunted because i was native american, especially from some white people whos ancestors killed hundreds of millions of my people, but no grudges. Nows just europeans time to feel some guilt over what their ancestors done. Anyway, everyman, woman) has their own stories to tell, thats just my experience, and how i think atlanta is more racist than boston, because its the only place i'v been taunted for being native american.
oh and just because ny and philly had black mayors doesnt mean they're automatically less racist. boston has a stronger chance than most cities, and i was there when deval was getting elected in 07 and most people really wanted him to be governor for massachusets, and he won by quite a bit. actually i dont know, i dint really follow that closely, the point is boston, i dont think is against any races.
There are also plenty of white people in Charleston, West Virginia. Surely a white lesbian from Park Slope, Brooklyn should have an easy time finding someone compatible there, no?
The complaint is not that there are NO black people at all. The complaint is that the numbers of professional black men and women are miniscule. Again, this is never an issue for white people because a professional white person is unremarkable. It's the rule, the standard, and far from the exception. It would be like pointing out the fact that a wheel is round.
And I don't remember saying that I didn't enjoy my time in Boston. If I did say that, then I recant the statement. I liked the city, but the lack of a strong, black professional class was a major strike against it. It may not be important to you, but it's very important to me. I want my children (future children) to grow up around lots of other black children who are aggressive about academic achievement. As someone who grew up going to white schools (in the "liberal" Northeast at that), I can honestly say that black children really need to see that.
Actually Ive had a lot of people say there are no black people here. Funny though cause those who said that have never been here. Why didnt u go to one of the meet up groups for black professionals? They send me stuff all the time. And no offense but I didnt know any black professionals for years growing up and that was near d.c. I didnt meet black professionals until i moved to Germany. Germany has a really good economy by the way. And i didnt know any black professionals in nyc when i lived there either, all of friends worked more then one job. The reality is the majority of americans are not professionals. The majority of us ae blue collar workers.
So basically Boston is a magical racial utopia, huh? It's like Robert Gould Shaw lead the charge towards acceptance and equality and the city never looked back, right?
Boston is known as the most racist of the East Coast cities and justifiably so. NYC and Philadelphia have both had minority mayors (Dinkins, Goode, Street and Nutter). Boston has not. The whole entire city has a surliness to it and sometimes you can't tell whether that hostility's being directed towards you because of your skin color or not. It was in Boston that I was called the N-word to my face for the first time. So we clearly have two different opinions.
Btw, going to the North End and talking about how well the "Italians" treated you is like going to Mulberry Street in Little Italy and talking about how nice all of the Italians are. The point being that there are probably few Italians left in those neighborhoods. Both places are really just yuppie enclaves/outdoor museums for out-of-towners to visit so they can grab a few cannolis and see how people from the "old country" used to live before they got a piece of the pie and high-tailed it to the burbs.
And MASS has a black governor, the only 2nd one in history. Like i said if u dont like it here then fine. I like it here and i have several black friends who like it here as well. And Im not gonna let disgruntled people like you change my opinion. U like philly then stay there.
Why are you getting so fired up man? I have never heard boston referred to as that, and it doesnt seem justifiable. when i was little i lived in atlanta for almost a year and they were way more racist there, the whole city seemed segregated, and one time i was going somewhere in one of the upperclass sections and a white kid asked me in a taunting manner what a little redskin was doing in the city. i think thats the one of the only times someone referred to me being native american by calling me redskin with intention to hurt, and not to mention all the harassment between some of the white and black preschool parents. the preschool crossed lower and upperclass neighborhoods, one white woman was vehement that her son had to go to preschool with a black boy, because he was more likely to be pulled into crime when he was older or something. when i moved to malden, and then boston, there weren't tensions between the races like that, and i certainly didnt get taunted because i was native american, especially from some white people whos ancestors killed hundreds of millions of my people, but no grudges. Nows just europeans time to feel some guilt over what their ancestors done. Anyway, everyman, woman) has their own stories to tell, thats just my experience, and how i think atlanta is more racist than boston, because its the only place i'v been taunted for being native american.
oh and just because ny and philly had black mayors doesnt mean they're automatically less racist. boston has a stronger chance than most cities, and i was there when deval was getting elected in 07 and most people really wanted him to be governor for massachusets, and he won by quite a bit. actually i dont know, i dint really follow that closely, the point is boston, i dont think is against any races.
Yeah in sc they made those same remarks to native americans too.
Yeah i feel u on Atlanta. I didn think Atlanta was going to be like that, but the segregation there is very very noticeable. There are no areas there like cambridge or jamaica plain. I also noticed there are way way way too many women there. Where r all the guys? lol
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