View Poll Results: Does Boston need a defining skyscraper or two
Hell yea
25 40.98%
No
36 59.02%
10-11-2012, 02:12 PM
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cliff-ok so they can put a 1000 ft building then, i wonder why dont they
10-11-2012, 02:31 PM
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OleSchoolFool
cliff-ok so they can put a 1000 ft building then, i wonder why dont they
It's tough to tell on that map, but I'm guessing that 1,000ft slice is out past the theater dist in the Back Bay. Developers will run into a lot of opposition from neighborhood groups out there.
It wasn't that the airport was built close to the financial district, it's that the financial district as we know it didn't excist when the airport was built. There were no 500ft office towers downtown in the 1920's. Logan was built on marsh land (the boonies back then), Boston developed around it.
10-11-2012, 02:44 PM
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It's tough to tell on that map, but I'm guessing that 1,000ft slice is out past the theater dist in the Back Bay. Developers will run into a lot of opposition from neighborhood groups out there.
yea, but couldn't they anticipate that it mite be a good idea to build the airport farther out just in case? this is really strange to me btw as a foreigner that airports in the US are typically so close to big cities or highly populated areas
10-11-2012, 02:48 PM
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Cliff Clavin
It's tough to tell on that map, but I'm guessing that 1,000ft slice is out past the theater dist in the Back Bay. Developers will run into a lot of opposition from neighborhood groups out there.
The 1,000ft height limit is in part of Back Bay (the "spine" along Boylston) and parts of downtown close to the Common and the Theatre District. Most of the Financial District is in the 700-800 foot limit range (but the tallest there are barely over 600 feet).
For the record, the Custom House Tower (Custom House Marriott) is just under 500 feet (495 ft tall) and was built in 1915. But no, most of the Financial District was devoid of height until the latter half of the 20th century.
You hit the nail on the head with neighborhood opposition. That 1000 foot zone is right alongside the Boston Common and the "spine" in Back Bay is literally abutting affluent residential neighborhoods. That stretch along Boylston where the JHT and Prudential are located is about 2 blocks wide (from Boylston to Stuart St.) which makes it fairly unique for a urban high-rise commercial zone. There's no room for buildings to taper from low nearest to the residential area to tall in the core. Historic brownstones are a block away from two of the city's tallest buildings and neighbors fight ANY height (see the 650 foot Copley Place tower proposal). A new tallest would be met with serious contempt from most neighbors. Any building that casts shadows on the common is in for major opposition too. That's why you won't see many proposals for the rest of that 1,000 foot area either.
The Financial District is the densest cluster of high rises. However, FAA height limits hinder development there. A good example was Transnational Place, a 1,000 footer proposed in the Financial District. The FAA said 1,000 feet was too tall and the recession kept any modified proposal from being built.
Here's a shot of the TNP proposal:
10-11-2012, 02:53 PM
Location: Providence, RI
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yea, but couldn't they anticipate that it mite be a good idea to build the airport farther out just in case? this is really strange to me btw as a foreigner that airports in the US are typically so close to big cities or highly populated areas
In 1920, the thought of a downtown filled with 1,000 foot towers never really crossed too many people's minds outside of maybe New York. So no, I'm not surprised they didn't anticipate it.
Boston's only one of a few American cities with the primary commercial airport so close to downtown. San Diego, Washington DC (though Dulles and BWI are bigger airports and further from downtown), Las Vegas and Phoenix are a few of the others. Mostly they're outside the city center. Though I will say, I was surprised at just how far Narita was from central Tokyo (1.5 hour train ride). Having the airport so close to the city center is really more of a benefit than it is a problem. You can get from downtown Boston to the airport in 2 subway stops and a quick shuttle ride (Blue Line) or a 15 minute bus ride on the Silverline. Try getting to central Manhattan from LGA, EWR, or JFK. It makes work and tourism travel to/from Boston VERY easy.
10-11-2012, 03:03 PM
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In 1920, the thought of a downtown filled with 1,000 foot towers never really crossed too many people's minds outside of maybe New York. So no, I'm not surprised they didn't anticipate it.
On the flip side, I doubt anyone could've predicted the commercial airline industry would be what it is today either.
In the end, I'm happy to trade skyline height for airport convenience.
10-11-2012, 03:11 PM
Location: Providence, RI
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On the flip side, I doubt anyone could've predicted the commercial airline industry would be what it is today either.
Yeah, I didn't think of it like that; but I doubt people assumed Logan would be handling 25+ Million passengers annually.
I agree, I'll take the airport convenience over height as well.
10-11-2012, 04:33 PM
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In 1920, the thought of a downtown filled with 1,000 foot towers never really crossed too many people's minds outside of maybe New York. So no, I'm not surprised they didn't anticipate it.
Yea, but these other airports are still close to populated areas and NYC airports are right in the city too. To me it just feels like airport shouldn't be right in the city cuz of safety concerns and what not. It is convenient tho, can't deny that. In Moscow airports are far from the city center as well, maybe that's why I am more biased to that idea. Air travel is much safer in the US tho so I can understand the closeness argument, however it's still a drawback that it limits the buildings height nearby. Logan shoulda been made at a diff location, and it could still be easy enough to reach, but it obviously doesn't matter now.
10-11-2012, 06:06 PM
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No, but its City Hall could use a makeover... .
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10-11-2012, 06:36 PM
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Yea, I hear ya^ I am not really from here tho, I been only here bout a yr, I don't really care for Manhattan skyscrapers or comparing them to other cities, that's why I mentioned Seattle skyline. I haven't been to Boston tho so maybe I'd see things diff if I have, but it's interesting to see what people think nevertheless. I can see the argument of the old architecture not getting along with modern, tall structures, but Philly does it fine.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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