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Old 07-23-2013, 03:39 PM
 
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Does the MBTA seem to run at higher deficits then other major metropolitan public transportation systems? It might be because I live here so I know all about it and hear about it, but I never hear of the consistent running in the red of other systems, and when I lived in LA, I never heard it, and they were running buses all night and building new subway/light rail lines every few years.
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Old 07-23-2013, 03:42 PM
 
Location: south central
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Also, wouldn't there be any economic stimulus for running the late night train services? Even it was just on the weekends. First, for people who are working. Second, because it will allow people to go out more if they don't have much besides the local bar in their own neighborhood. People might go out more to Harvard Square, downtown/Copley, wherever if they knew they could take the bus or subway home?
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:10 PM
 
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Does the MBTA seem to run at higher deficits then other major metropolitan public transportation systems? It might be because I live here so I know all about it and hear about it, but I never hear of the consistent running in the red of other systems, and when I lived in LA, I never heard it, and they were running buses all night and building new subway/light rail lines every few years.
Every public transportation system runs in the red, and requires government funding. It's the nature of the beast. There isn't a public transit system in the world that turns a profit. NYC's MTA is in debt of ~$32 billion. I think the MBTA's debt is ~$8 billion. (?) Not sure about LA.
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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Every public transportation system runs in the red, and requires government funding. It's the nature of the beast. There isn't a public transit system in the world that turns a profit. NYC's MTA is in debt of ~$32 billion. I think the MBTA's debt is ~$8 billion. (?) Not sure about LA.
I knew basically all did. I didn't know, for example, that NYC runs that big of one. Guess it's not so big comparatively. But their debts never seem so crippling as the MBTA's. Again, though, thanks for the information. I'm surprised how ignorant I am as a life-long rider.
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:47 PM
 
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I knew basically all did. I didn't know, for example, that NYC runs that big of one. Guess it's not so big comparatively. But their debts never seem so crippling as the MBTA's. Again, though, thanks for the information. I'm surprised how ignorant I am as a life-long rider.
Well, the MTA is a completely different scale of operation. It's got 11.5 million passengers a day across it's various entities. The MBTA has 1.3 million.

So comparatively, they've got 8.8x the ridership, with only 4x the debt.

The MTA also has toll revenue from the 9 NYC river crossings it controls to use, and a wider range of taxes to get it's funding from instead of being as dependent on the sales tax (which is especially volatile when a downturn happens in the economy).

Not to say their budget is in good shape either, it isn't, but it isn't perpetually crippled like the MBTA is.

When we're discussing this, it's also rather important to note that much of the MBTA's debt did not come about from things the MBTA itself had much control over. A lot of it is from Big Dig mitigation/remediation work that the government forced the MBTA to do, and which they presumably may not have spent money on if they weren't required to by higher powers....who then proceeded to not produce funding for the projects they required the MBTA to undertake, creating debt.

The primary point here being that the MBTA's crippling debt, is at least in large part, not from mismanagement within the organization, rather from mismanagement of the organization by the MA government.
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:21 AM
 
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Public transport for place like Boston is of vital interest for maintaining our diverse and strong economy, not to mention future growth. People charged in running and funding MBTA should all get fired, and new policy/course of action should be implemented ASAP. This is not 1972, and 2013 to have such (often petty, small minded) issues with pubic transportation in a major hub, is astonishing! If no action soon, there will be long-term economic consequences for all of us. You can not attract so many young and upwardly mobile people and expect them to "bear with us just for the another decade, 'till we figure this out". You offer great service, or you don't. It s that simple. We are accepting very low standards for way too long. Also, please people in charge, do not attempt to invent "hot water" over and over again. So many countries have superior results in this particular area, observe, learn, duplicate. It is not rocket science!
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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The T is running massively in the red. I'd like late night T service, but the T is going to have to restructure and also raise their fares. Maybe late night service should cost more.
I like this idea. Having late night service at a higher cost. Even at $10 or $15 one way, it would be a bargain compared to parking or a long taxi ride.
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:52 AM
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Considering that minimum wage is $9 an hour, I think that $4.50 should be no big deal for a T ride during the day and up until midnight. And if you don't have a job or are a grade school student, then there should be a discounted fare.

With late night service, a higher fare, less frequent service but with added security, especially if the route is passing through bad neighborhoods.
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