I really don't like living in Boston

[matildathedog]

[quote=Cart24;11097203]Yes, Douglas Wilder in 89. Deval Patrick of Massachusetts was the 2nd in history.

Deval Patrick "doesn't seem to be doing well" because of many issues, none of them race related, have you picked up a newspaper lately? my goodness.

Here is an article you might find interesting or if not at the very least force you to read the paper for the first time in the past 3 years (Gov Patricks term): Hub's inner city ranks high in booming firms - The Boston Globe (Boston 2nd to Detroit in list profiling successful black owned businesses)

Also another interesting read on segregation in US cities, Boston is alot more intergrated than many major US Cities:
Housing Patterns - Table 5-4
Housing Patterns - Table 6-4

I have worked in this area for years at very large so called diverse companies including companies that have won all types of awards for diversity and what I have noticed they have in common is the number visible minorities working in them are not black and if they do have blacks, they hold mostly data entry type jobs with whites holding preferable and higher salaried positions. And decisions made in hiring and promotion is still the domain of whites in Boston. And despite the high number of minorities, I could count the number of blacks working in those companies with little effort.

And by the way, I do read the Globe on occasion but I do not need to rely on a white-owned paper written primarily by pompous over-privileged limo-liberals to validate my life experience as a person of color in Boston. Think before you judge....

[matildathedog]

Originally Posted by Cart24

Yes, Douglas Wilder in 89. Deval Patrick of Massachusetts was the 2nd in history.

Deval Patrick "doesn't seem to be doing well" because of many issues, none of them race related, have you picked up a newspaper lately? my goodness.

Here is an article you might find interesting or if not at the very least force you to read the paper for the first time in the past 3 years (Gov Patricks term): Hub's inner city ranks high in booming firms - The Boston Globe (Boston 2nd to Detroit in list profiling successful black owned businesses)

Also another interesting read on segregation in US cities, Boston is alot more intergrated than many major US Cities:
Housing Patterns - Table 5-4
Housing Patterns - Table 6-4

As far as minorities in middle management I work for a healthcare company and I see minorities and immigrants in high profile positions all over my company, my wifes company (one of the largest law firms in the country) was named one of the best Law Firms to work for minorities and commitment to diversity on the national level last year. In addition we are both visible minorities ourselves and hold management positions. So forgive me for not completely seeing eye to eye with you.

i forgot to include a link to a website with sources on actual studies that have been done in the boston area regarding racism so that you can look beyond the globe before you form an opinion

The Geography of Opportunity

[AmyVanDutch]

"And by the way, I do read the Globe on occasion but I do not need to rely on a white-owned paper written primarily by pompous over-privileged limo-liberals to validate my life experience as a person of color in Boston. Think before you judge...."


This conversation has nothing to do with me and I live nowhere near Boston, but I just have to say, this comment has me on your side of the fence. Where's my matildathedog bumper sticker?

[Cart24]

Originally Posted by matildathedog

I have worked in this area for years at very large so called diverse companies including companies that have won all types of awards for diversity and what I have noticed they have in common is the number visible minorities working in them are not black and if they do have blacks, they hold mostly data entry type jobs with whites holding preferable and higher salaried positions. And decisions made in hiring and promotion is still the domain of whites in Boston. And despite the high number of minorities, I could count the number of blacks working in those companies with little effort.

And by the way, I do read the Globe on occasion but I do not need to rely on a white-owned paper written primarily by pompous over-privileged limo-liberals to validate my life experience as a person of color in Boston. Think before you judge....

First of all, obviously the Globe comment was tounge in cheek, you cannot possibly think that I would actually know if you read the paper at home, I did not think I would need to explain that but obviously I do.

Secondly it was not the Globe that conducted that study it was the ICIC, the Globe just reported on it. The ICIC was I guess founded by one of those white guys from Harvard, but the board of directors in predominantly black. IF you actually read the article you would have seen this though.

Next the segreagation study was based on statistics from the US Census bureau, I am sure you will find a way to discount that "unreliable" source as well.

Finally I being a person of colour myself and an immigrant have been given any and every opportunity to succeed since moving here to Boston. I have heard the same complaining from others in not just Boston but everywhere I have worked, but basically you need to suck it up and examine yourself and your own job performance. The "White Man" is not completely on our side and never will be, but I have accepted that personally and that acceptance forced me to spend more time becoming excellent at what i do for a living and less time bitchin and moaning over oppression like yourself.

Originally Posted by matildathedog

i forgot to include a link to a website with sources on actual studies that have been done in the boston area regarding racism so that you can look beyond the globe before you form an opinion

The Geography of Opportunity

Okay after a quick read the article deals with the following:

- Performance levels at Urban Inner City Public schools vs Suburban predominently white school districts.
- Income disparity between blacks and whites
- "White flight"
- Housing market discrimination- Rental and mortgage applications

Are you telling me that there have not been many studies done on a national level or in other cities (basically EVERY major US city) on the exact same topics? You cannot possibly think that this is a Boston specific issue . If you haven't noticed all of the above problems are present in every major North American city.

The only major city in the country where Blacks have a higher median income than whites in Queens, NYC. Even in cities where blacks are well represented in management positions like Atlanta have lower median incomes than whites.

I guess you should move to Queens, because nowhere else will satisfy you, except for the fact that inner city schools still lag behind suburban schools in the same city, so it still wont be your utopia in America.

[LeavingMA]

The Red Sox for awhile were considered one of the most racist teams in baseball. I've actually heard the n word more in Boston than any other city. I'll also admit I've probably been to Boston more than any other city, but still I've only heard it in the south once and been there often.

My opinion is this stuff happens everywhere but overall it is more stereotyping than anything. I also know white people that have should have gotten jobs but they put minorities in just to avoid lawsuits and satisfy a quota.

[HenryAlan]

Originally Posted by matildathedog

Also just because Boston has a diverse population does not make it non-racist either. It is diverse but in the same way Johannesburg is diverse except the townships are mattapan, dorchester, roslindale, and roxbury.

I have a feeling I may be about to debate the dining room table ala Barney Frank and the Larouche looney, but so be it. This comparison is way off in so many ways. None of these communities are exclusively black enclaves. In fact, both Dorchester and Roslindale are very mixed or diverse, with whites forming a plurality. Also, both are predominately middle class neighborhoods. There is no Soweto in Boston. To suggest that there is can only diminish your credibility on all matters.

[syracusa]

Originally Posted by afewyearsinboston

In fact, just because people in a particular area are a certain way it doesn't make them any better or worse than anyone else. Just different. How those differences are interpreted by individuals are entirely subjective.

If I hear this line of thought one more time, I will cry.
He did not pretend to give an "objective" interpretation.
He was expressing HIS opinion, which should be entirely OK.