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Old 10-09-2013, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Central Mass
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Freeze - thaw
Money spent on other things
Not enough federal money to fix them all

If you think MA is bad, never, ever drive in Michigan!
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Old 10-09-2013, 10:12 PM
 
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Simple - they don't maintain the roads in MA. I'm from upstate NY where the weather (re snow) is worse and they use more salt. The roads are in far better condition and are well-maintained, even the secondary and tertiary roads. Drive up into New Hampshire and as soon as you cross over you see that the roads are much better. There are so many roads in MA that are so far gone, I don't think they will ever be able to keep up ... and you should see the roads on the side streets that get even less attention. You could loose a small child in some of the pot-holes!
Again, most of MA is freeze-thaw territory.

Upstate NY and NH are largely cold enough that they just freeze and stay frozen, which isn't a problem.

Much of Pennsylvania has similar problems, and the Southern Tier of NY where I've spent a lot of time, certainly does as well.

I also disagree with someone else claiming Philadelphia does a good job at paving. Maybe in the center city, but a lot of the rest of the city is very rough.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:28 AM
 
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Again, most of MA is freeze-thaw territory.

Upstate NY and NH are largely cold enough that they just freeze and stay frozen, which isn't a problem.
So then why such a difference the second you cross the border? Does the climate change from Tyngsboro to Nashua? Excuses like this makes me wonder if our politicians are posting here.
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Old 10-10-2013, 10:25 AM
 
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So then why such a difference the second you cross the border? Does the climate change from Tyngsboro to Nashua? Excuses like this makes me wonder if our politicians are posting here.
Of course not. But look at it as the entire state, and then consider what that does to road budgets.

A whole state of roads that get abused by said cycle, is going to be much harder to maintain with limited funds than a state where only a portion of roads have the issue.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Boston Suburb
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You could loose a small child in some of the pot-holes!
I love that one.

I ruined my rims on a big pothole. In the winter and at night, you can't even see it until you're jolted hard and the loud collusion sound happens and then you realize dang, my wheel is probably shot.
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Old 10-10-2013, 01:12 PM
 
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Of course not. But look at it as the entire state, and then consider what that does to road budgets.

A whole state of roads that get abused by said cycle, is going to be much harder to maintain with limited funds than a state where only a portion of roads have the issue.

And in general, I bet Eastern Mass gets a lot more travel wear (more cars traveling them) than most of Southern New Hampshire and probably even has more roads in general.
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Old 10-10-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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Again, most of MA is freeze-thaw territory.

Upstate NY and NH are largely cold enough that they just freeze and stay frozen, which isn't a problem.

Much of Pennsylvania has similar problems, and the Southern Tier of NY where I've spent a lot of time, certainly does as well.

I also disagree with someone else claiming Philadelphia does a good job at paving. Maybe in the center city, but a lot of the rest of the city is very rough.
Not true about upstate NY, at least in Rochester/Buffalo area - same freeze/thaw issue with more snow d/t lake effect and lots more salt used, but still lots of days where there is a thaw. In fact, it often switches between rain and snow. They get pot-holes galore there because of the freeze/thaw and salt, but they they properly repair and maintain the roads. I lived in both Rochester and Buffalo - they seemed to always be repaving the streets and highways, and also replacing curbs - not so in Massachusetts. In fact, I laugh when I see areas where they've made "curbs" out of the road blacktop. How long will that really last before it breaks down - a year - why bother? They started replacing curbs in Watertown MA with real curbs (?granite) and I've personally heard a Watertown councilman say that the curbs were a "100-year project" - seriously?
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:16 PM
 
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The weather in Boston is very rough on the road surface.
I don't think it is just weather related. All the northeast has bad weather and Boston's road wear and tear is far worse than other places in the northeast. I think the Atlantic Ocean wants its "Back Bay" back and is undermining Boston's land mass from below. Much of Boston proper was stolen from the ocean and is artificially filled in.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:22 PM
 
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I please the boston local govornment repair the road more often...would the mayor use this forum?
Bawahahahahahaha! Sorry I am not laughing at you just laughing at the idea that Massachusetts politicians would care about someone like you (or me for that matter). Massachusetts politicians only care about their wallets and their re-election campaigns.

There are a multitude of reasons I crossed the northern border in 2012.
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Old 10-10-2013, 04:31 PM
 
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So then why such a difference the second you cross the border? Does the climate change from Tyngsboro to Nashua? Excuses like this makes me wonder if our politicians are posting here.
Every time I drive from Atkinson into Haverhill I see an automatic 10 degree jump in temperature.
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