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Old 11-02-2013, 06:26 PM
 
Location: south central
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Got my hands on some interesting statistics. Just decided to drop the stats for some conversation.

Urban Area population densities per square mile:
Bold is for urban areas with greater population density than urban area Boston
Italics for urban areas whose density is increasing

1970 level // 2010 level // 2000-2010 % change

Boston: 3,995 // 2,232 // -3.9

Atlanta: 2,694 // 1,707 // -4.3
Charlotte: 2,632 // 1,745 // -3.4
Chicago: 5,258 // 3,524 // -9.9
Cleveland: 3,034 // 2,307 // -16.5
Dallas-Fort Worth: 1,882 // 2,879 // -2.3
Detroit: 4,554 // 2,793 // -9.8
Hampton Roads: 2,234 // 2,793 // +5.6
Houston: 3,113 // 2,978 // +0.9
Los Angeles: 5,312 // 6,999 // -1.0

Memphis: 3,388 // 2,132 // -12.3
Miami: 4,710 // 4,442 // +0.8
Minneapolis: 2,359 // 2,594 // -2.9
New York: 6,683 // 5,319 // +0.2
Philadelphia: 5,347 // 2,746 // -4.0
Phoenix: 2,224 // 3,165 // -13.0
Pittsburgh: 3,097 // 1,915 // -6.9
Portland: 3,090 // 3,528 // +5.6
Raleigh: 2,141 // 1,708 // +1.0
Riverside-San Bernardino: 1,884 // 3,546 // +3.4
Sacramento: 2,542 // 3,660 // -3.1

Salt Lake City: 2,603 // 3,844 // -4.4
San Diego: 3,144 // 4,037 // +18.1
San Francisco-Oakland: 4,388 // 6,266 // +2.3

San Jose: 3,700 // 5,820 // -1.6
Seattle: 2,998 // 3,028 // +6.5
Washington, D.C.: 5,012 // 3,470 // +2.1
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Old 11-03-2013, 06:00 AM
 
Location: Everett, Massachusetts
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I'd be really curious to know how the definitions of each area have changed in the forty year gap. They're definitely talking about metropolitan areas here (The City of Boston had 12,792.7 people per square mile in 2010, and Chelsea and Somerville had even higher numbers than that.) With that said, has the concept of what comprises Greater Boston (at least according to statisticians and local planning boards) changed in that forty year span? I should think so, and I imagine it has happened elsewhere too. Meanwhile, the promotion of "smart growth" in recent years may explain some of the recent increases in some places. Those would be my best proposals for explanations of all of this.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Boston is a much more compact city than the ones that are above it in these statistics. Within three miles of city hall Boston is second only to NYC in density.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Boston is a much more compact city than the ones that are above it in these statistics. Within three miles of city hall Boston is second only to NYC in density.
I'm not sure I believe this, do you have a source?

Just looking at this wiki entry, it seems there are quite a few places that are more dense than Boston overall, but I don't know about your specific claim of 3 miles from city hall. I'd be willing to bet though that there are a few places in New York and New Jersey, LA, and Chicago that could probably claim a higher density.

I'm also interested to see the areas that make up these metros and how they've changed, like the previous poster said.
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Old 11-03-2013, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I'm not sure I believe this, do you have a source?

Just looking at this wiki entry, it seems there are quite a few places that are more dense than Boston overall, but I don't know about your specific claim of 3 miles from city hall. I'd be willing to bet though that there are a few places in New York and New Jersey, LA, and Chicago that could probably claim a higher density.

I'm also interested to see the areas that make up these metros and how they've changed, like the previous poster said.
I stand corrected, it is within 1 mile of city hall. Someone did this homework, i just read it.

Population-weighted Density by Distances from City Hall
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Old 11-03-2013, 12:39 PM
 
Location: New London
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I stand corrected, it is within 1 mile of city hall. Someone did this homework, i just read it.

Population-weighted Density by Distances from City Hall
Eh. Boston's #2 for 1 mile from city hall, and #4 for 3 miles. Still pretty impressive.
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Old 11-03-2013, 01:41 PM
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Location: MA/NH
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Originally Posted by BitofEndearment View Post
Urban Area population densities per square mile:
Bold is for urban areas with greater population density than urban area Boston
Italics for urban areas whose density is increasing

1970 level // 2010 level // 2000-2010 % change

Boston: 3,995 // 2,232 // -3.9
Is this for Boston proper?

I'd say that it was a vast improvement to drop from having nearly 4.000 residents per square mile to 2,232 per square mile!!! Yikes!

Otherwise, in the areas just outside of Boston, it seems to me that there much more congestion than when I was a kid in the 1970's. Such as condomium structures built in former backyards and condominiums/apartment buildings in former factory buildings and open parking lots.
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Old 11-03-2013, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I stand corrected, it is within 1 mile of city hall. Someone did this homework, i just read it.

Population-weighted Density by Distances from City Hall
Not all city halls are necessarily in the densest or most central part of the respective cities. This could be a kind of useless statistic.
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Old 11-03-2013, 03:02 PM
 
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It's not at all surprising to someone who has lived in the area for awhile. Since 1970, the number of towns that have instituted 2 - 2.5 acre "snob" zoning in the vicinity of I-495 has increased greatly. Hopkinton comes to mind. I remember reading an article a few years ago about how metro-Boston had instituted unsustainable land use patterns mimicking Atlanta, and how that would have deleterious impacts for mass transit and energy consumption that would be difficult to reverse.
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Old 11-03-2013, 05:03 PM
 
Location: south central
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I actually didn't get the statistics from Wikipedia, haha. However, I did get this map from Wikipedia, which details the Boston urbanized area. Urbanized areas are basically Metropolitan areas. I am definitely NOT talking about Boston proper, or even just the inner core. This is a metro-to-metro (or urban area-to-urban area) comparison.

Google Image Result for http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Greaterboston2.png
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