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Old 03-12-2014, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Randolph, MA
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Boston, Malden, Lowell, and Randolph are "going down the tubes"? That's news to me.

How about Framingham, Cambridge, Somerville, and Quincy (which are all some 60 - 65% white) are they moving in that direction as well?

Sure there are places like Lynn and Lawrence that are considered "undesirable", but I think that has to do more with poverty than with race...
I've been fighthing that stereotype. Boston (Southern areas), Lowell and Randolph have a bad rep on CD. You have to remember, people come to ask questions here regarding areas they do not know.

Most of the time anytime someone mentions the aforementioned places it's within the context of "AVOID AVOID AVOID". Just search. You've always been cordial regarding this subject though.
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Old 03-12-2014, 09:49 PM
 
Location: New London
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I've been fighthing that stereotype. Boston (Southern areas), Lowell and Randolph have a bad rep on CD. You have to remember, people come to ask questions here regarding areas they do not know.

Most of the time anytime someone mentions the aforementioned places it's within the context of "AVOID AVOID AVOID". Just search. You've always been cordial regarding this subject though.
Fair enough. I think that in real life, though, these areas might not have as bad a reputation as they do on CD.

Here's a photo thread on another website, for example, that tends to speak highly of Lowell:
City that won't die - Lowell, Mass. (Downtown/Mill Complexes) - SkyscraperPage Forum

As for Randolph, I don't think it gets much attention because it's rather suburban. For a middle-class suburb, though, I'd say that a lack of attention is probably a good thing (means there isn't much crime).

Or maybe I just never pay attention when Randolph comes up in conversation or on the news...

As for Southern Boston, I'd agree it has a bad rep, but I also think that its reputation has been improving.
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Old 03-13-2014, 12:39 PM
 
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I like the city of Quincy, where I have a house and live. The crime is relatively low and petty (no murders in many years), and the overall vibe is very positive. Sure the downtown project has run into some bumps, but at 1.6 billion, I am not so sure the city is able to handle it anyway, given it's only around 95,000 people. Quincy has improving schools, and with a brand new Quincy HS and a new Central Middle School, we are now looking at getting another middle school rebuilt (Sterling), and all new windows for all of the schools in the district. I hear North Quincy High will apply for a 12 million dollar athletic field/stadium soon....By the way, North Quincy High is ranked 44 out of more than 320 public schools in the state of Massachusetts by the US News World Report this year, while the brand new Quincy High comes in at 50 in the whole state. Both respectable showings.

There are also many infrastructure improvement, like Adams street, and the intersection at N Quincy High is being slated for a total rebuild. So, Quincy is moving, with a solid middle class (many professionals like us live here), and a thriving and entrepreneurial Asian population that is owning homes and opening up businesses....and lots and lots of various different restaurants. I just had an excellent meal at a Brazilian Bistro two nights ago, and I am going to Punjab tomorrow night with two other couples (we love Indian food) etc. Then there is Pad Thai, Fuji, China Pearl, Fat Cat and even Falafel King and Panera Bread...you name it, Quincy most likely has it. A very eclectic mix of everything in Quincy.

The important thing is the tax base, and the people who have the means and are willing to spend money in their city. They are also the ones who demand good city services like transportation, roads, schools and security etc. I don't know why anyone would call Quincy "going down" in any shape or form. A solidly built and well situated single family will fetch more than $375,000 right off the block (more like $400,000 if it's half way decent with a nice yard) and a duplex at over $600,000. It's not cheap, especially for a good sized city. It is not a small homogeneous town.

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Old 03-13-2014, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Clinton is another town people love to snub. I just read it is the fourth safest town in Massachusetts.
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Old 03-13-2014, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Randolph, MA
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Clinton is another town people love to snub. I just read it is the fourth safest town in Massachusetts.
Yup, I just took a look; the posts seem a bit dated but are a perfect example. I never heard of Clinton but my aunt lives in Hudson.

From what i've read, i'd say that town fits in with the group I mentioned before. Seems like the fact that it's next to upper-middle class towns, makes it seem "run-down". I'll have to visit next time i'm in the Worcester area. Too many bars is a running theme. Oh, Massachusetts.
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Old 03-16-2014, 11:47 AM
 
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I was discussing BOSTON and democratic issues as this state leans much toward that. I mean this is a BOSTON forum is it not? Us true conservatives have had it with your censorship and we're finally making a stand against this regime like the one we have in BOSTON and getting in numbers and you get terrified because we're only getting stronger as time passes but go ahead, try to censor me.. you can not debate me or else you would rationally.. you have to be a control freak behind your keyboard because you know face to face it wouldn't fly and you couldn't just hit the block button or have me banned so just think of that ok.
I did not read this whole thread, but the poster you are responding to told you that the 'general forums' have a political section and that the city forums are not the place for these threads/venting/running commentary. That has nothing to do with liberal censorship. lol. Simply put: This forum is for people seeking relocation advice, not a chat forum regarding political or personal issues. If you want to discuss MA politics, go to the political sub forum on City Data. It's not about being banned; it's about following the protocol/posting rules as established by the CD forum [which is a 'private, Illinois based networking site', according to Wikipedia. So it's not MA liberals who are censoring you. A privately owned internet site will have its own rules that you agree to when you sign up for an account.]
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Old 03-16-2014, 12:08 PM
 
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I can appreciate the fact that despite our wild differences, we can see eye to eye on things. I never seen you, know nothing about you, yet I find this out anyhow lol.

The Eastern Seaboard all along has a bigger rivalry than anyone out West can ever dream of in sports and in life it seems. Boston and Baltimore hate eachother, Philly and Boston do, Philly and Baltimore do. Boston and NY do, NY and Philly does.. you name it. Then throw in New Joisey and wow.. it becomes worse right there and then DC.. more overwhelming already than any rivalries in the state of CA combined although I do know the CA/OR rivalry is huge. Almost as big as it is with Boston and NY but most of it is L.A and Portland/Seattle than anything. Bay area folks actually seem more laid back not being in the mix so much and Sacramento isn't in no mix.. its an entity by itself, no major sports teams outside of the Kings. Just Los Angeles is their main west coast rivalry. Sacramento and Portland don't seem to hate eachother though so rivalries are not as widespread through all the cities and San Jose isn't even mentioned in any rivalry hate. San Diego and SF don't seem to hate eachother either. The bulk of it just seems to be with Oregon and California which is mostly L.A area they hate.

Maybe in the future NorCal can do the smart thing and secede from the capitol and south of it and form their own state. My mom happens to live there now so all the better for me if they can get their own vibrant economy with the small cities they have in Auburn and Redding sorta like NH is doing and they have pot farmers up north also. I feel that's also the reason small MA cities outside of Boston cant rebound faster too.. inability to become separate areas from the main cash cow city. CA has a better chance in doing this though I hate to say or seceding properly from the Southern to mid part and each having their own states within that big state.

I came back home, the thrill was ok for awhile going to local food joints and frappe places but once you see it and wears off and once you have so much family conflict, you feel you learned a huge lesson seeing it all and doing it all if you catch my drift. I went to so many places on my stay here and I pretty much ruled out MA anyhow due to my discoveries or re discoveries about visiting and driving all around in my time here. It was to try to plan my future partially.

The Bay area is on fire economically as in doing good you mean? Apple came from there after all and Google and EBay I think.
I am a MA native and I've lived in CA for a total of 15 years [both north and south-currently in So CAL]. There is only an OR 'resentment' towards CA b/c of the influx of CA residents inflating real estate and changing lifestyle/attitude in OR. It's not a rivalry, but a resentment. You'll find that in many western states that have a negative view towards Californians moving into their state and changing things/increasing cost, etc. But there is NO LA and portland/seattle rivalry. There is some flexing on the Seattle CD forums about how 'Seattle is as great as the Bay Area [the only real comparison. They tried to create one between Pdx and SEA, but Portland really doesn't care. It just does its own thing and always has-despite location between SFO and SEA-it doesn't compare itself. This has worked out well for Portland, obviously. Instead of preening and trying to be something its not, it simply has created its own unique city, policies and standards that are now emulated.

Also, *some* people have tried to pit LA against SD, but they are wildly different and no one in SD wants it to be like LA. N CA does like to bash So CAL and think that its inferior. So CAL generally couldn't care less and just keeps doing its So CAL thing. SFO in particular has an unfavorable view of LA. BUT, folks are now migrating south for lower cost of living in LA and SD, better weather and overall more laid back attitude, especially with the economy so crazy [hot but expensive and competitive] in the bay area at the moment.
Though, I will say that folks in San Francisco do like to discuss how inferior SAC is. This is, in my view, a cheap and easy shot on their and not necessary. SAC is likewise just doing its SAC thing. It will never be SFO and many there are perfectly happy about that.

I'm not sure where the OR/CA rivalry comes from in your mind, or how long you have lived in CA? Some folks in PDX have asked if SAC is similar b/c they'd like better/warmer/sunnier weather but with a lower cost of living than the bay area. So the comparison does come up.

But there's really not much in the way of any rivalry, nothing like the east coast. The only thing that comes close to that is probably Oakland and San Francisco. That's kind of intense at times.

Many of these rivalries are on online forums, though, and not really in real life. Unlike the east coast, where real life is pretty hardcore. It's a regionalism/provincialism thing, in my view. Stems from leftover clan/village mindset (in my opinion) but also a sense of belonging, pride and esteem that helped working class folks survive immigration and subsequent hard lives of helping to build the wealth and prestige that is Boston/MA today. The west coast doesn't have this cohesive traditional history. The settlements are overall much newer [aside from the Spanish missions] and people move(d) west to create new lives and follow a different dream. It's completely different in mindset/psyche and I'm not sure comparing them is really possible or useful. Contrasting, perhaps. But you'd have to consider the histories of both places in order to do that.

I honestly don't know how your 'insights' developed. But I have family and friends in OR as well. Trust me, this view of any kind of rivalry is a bit off. People in both CA and OR like to bash LA b/c....well...it's LA! Sprawl, superficial, congestion, air pollution, sterile suburbs, etc. But, just as many people are enamored of it for the fascinating, unique city that it is. There really is nothing like it. It is experiencing its own boom right now and will continue to draw people from around the world. It's funny to me that, after living in SO CAL for so long (despite being more of a N CA person), how trite it is for those folks to bash LA. Because southern CA just does its thing and doesn't compare itself to any other place; people just live their lives here and enjoy the reasons why they moved here. OR, the pick up and leave, if it's not working for them. But folks who have never lived in LA tend to bash its very existence b/c it's not 'for them'.....Meh. Why bother doing that? It's going to exist and obviously suits some people.

You are correct that rural N CA does have resentment towards the populated areas of CA and rightly so. It will probably never secede, though. There are many great rural communities, though the pot industry has a dark side. Although an economic powerhouse of parts of the state, it has changed, Mexican cartels have moved into many areas and changed the face of the industry. Along with many depressed logging towns and subsequent meth and heroin issues, migrant laborers to the rural winery and agricultural areas (with their usual social problems as far as poverty, crime, gang violence, etc), the rural northern part of the state is not a paradise. Though it is so very beautiful, almost painfully so. But, these areas are perhaps worse off than the former mill towns of MA. At least the mill towns have a strong shot at gentrifying and becoming vibrant again, due to their location, good public transit system and the influx of money to do so. [ie, there are jobs in the Boston area and residents interested in moving into and revitalizing these areas/cities. In rural N CA, there's not quite as much hope. Also, the pot industry has supposedly continued to dwindle in places like Mendocino and Humboldt, b/c of the ability to buy medical marijuana and some states legalizing, the aforementioned cartel influence, and the rise of grow houses. It's changing the face of that industry and will be interesting to watch.

Good luck with plan to move back to the west coast. (:

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Old 08-23-2014, 11:05 AM
 
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Smile Randolph MA resident

I enjoy living in Randolph. Other than the cars traveling too fast on N. Main St., I don't see any problems at all with the quality of life here. I believe I can speak for quite a few others that live here that feel the same way. Come visit us and check out our little town.
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Old 08-29-2014, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Macao
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Now in the South a place that doesn't promote diversity and a place where there actually is some is more impressive to me. It shows that it could bring in the best of people with the laid back attitude toward life despite backgrounds so the tension just isn't felt. Its like they say.. when in Rome... Now I cant see myself racially mixing in the South still but in the right circumstances I could probably have a convo with more blacks anyhow.. Theres spots down there they compare to Brazil you know, especially when it comes to attractive women.. were you aware of that?
What cities in the South are you thinking of? I mean, that would compare to Brazil?
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Old 08-29-2014, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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What cities in the South are you thinking of? I mean, that would compare to Brazil?
Who cares? Why does that apply to Massachusetts?
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