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Old 01-03-2014, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Yes, there is a certain tweedy quality that gives Massachusetts a split liberal/conservative personality.

So instead of venting, for fun why don't you describe your ideal place to live here?
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Old 01-03-2014, 09:25 PM
 
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Agreed. I think CA's problems are often overstated simply because it's classified as one state. If you bundled most of the states along the Eastern seaboard together, man, you'd have just as many problems if not significantly more than CA. CA's ability to retain its population, while not great, is definitely better than MA right now -- the Bay area's on fire economically, and many can talk themselves into staying for things like you pointed out (weather, roads, etc.) I don't believe MA is retaining residents as well as CA as both states are largely being attacked by the population growth of smaller emerging cities. It's interesting that we're both basically in agreement, at least on this issue, despite wildly different political leanings -- the world needs more of this!
I can appreciate the fact that despite our wild differences, we can see eye to eye on things. I never seen you, know nothing about you, yet I find this out anyhow lol.

The Eastern Seaboard all along has a bigger rivalry than anyone out West can ever dream of in sports and in life it seems. Boston and Baltimore hate eachother, Philly and Boston do, Philly and Baltimore do. Boston and NY do, NY and Philly does.. you name it. Then throw in New Joisey and wow.. it becomes worse right there and then DC.. more overwhelming already than any rivalries in the state of CA combined although I do know the CA/OR rivalry is huge. Almost as big as it is with Boston and NY but most of it is L.A and Portland/Seattle than anything. Bay area folks actually seem more laid back not being in the mix so much and Sacramento isn't in no mix.. its an entity by itself, no major sports teams outside of the Kings. Just Los Angeles is their main west coast rivalry. Sacramento and Portland don't seem to hate eachother though so rivalries are not as widespread through all the cities and San Jose isn't even mentioned in any rivalry hate. San Diego and SF don't seem to hate eachother either. The bulk of it just seems to be with Oregon and California which is mostly L.A area they hate.

Maybe in the future NorCal can do the smart thing and secede from the capitol and south of it and form their own state. My mom happens to live there now so all the better for me if they can get their own vibrant economy with the small cities they have in Auburn and Redding sorta like NH is doing and they have pot farmers up north also. I feel that's also the reason small MA cities outside of Boston cant rebound faster too.. inability to become separate areas from the main cash cow city. CA has a better chance in doing this though I hate to say or seceding properly from the Southern to mid part and each having their own states within that big state.

I came back home, the thrill was ok for awhile going to local food joints and frappe places but once you see it and wears off and once you have so much family conflict, you feel you learned a huge lesson seeing it all and doing it all if you catch my drift. I went to so many places on my stay here and I pretty much ruled out MA anyhow due to my discoveries or re discoveries about visiting and driving all around in my time here. It was to try to plan my future partially.

The Bay area is on fire economically as in doing good you mean? Apple came from there after all and Google and EBay I think.
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Old 01-03-2014, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Fairfield, CT
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Amazingly, I didn't know about this, thank you for sharing. I know all cities have moments they'd prefer to forget, and compared to what went on in the South back then I'm sure Boston comes out looking better, but still -- that's pretty inexcusable.

Sometimes I do think Boston is a little bit "methinks thou doth protest too much" -- there's lots of preening on about diversity, yet it's a staggeringly segregated city. The South's ghosts will forever haunt it, but my experience having spent time in almost every Southern state is that when they're racist they're pretty out with it, but otherwise there's much more racial intermingling than I've ever experienced in Boston, without any of the "look at how diverse we are!!!" stuff Boston tends to pull.

I agree 100% that Boston is one of the best walking cities ever, it's like a big village, best of both worlds size-wise.
I think a lot of the whole "tolerance" thing is faked, and that those who preach tolerance most zealously are often the most intolerant of all.

The busing crisis was not one of Boston's finer hours, and you never hear a word about it in any of the mainstream tours. There was a good book written about it called "Common Ground" the chronicled the effects of busing on 3 families -- an upper class white family, a poor white family and a poor black family. The white family were liberals who favored busing, but their kids were in a special school that they expected to be exempt. Long story short, they ended up fleeing the city for a lily white suburb. The poor white family lived in the Bunker Hill projects, went to bad white schools, and were no better than the blacks on the other side of the issue. These were the people who bore the brunt of the forced busing. The black family lived in Roxbury, headed by a single mother on welfare. Her sons ended up being violent criminals. Though the author was supposedly a liberal, the book reinforced every bad stereotype and, intentionally or not, made a strong case against the logic behind busing.

Busing got the worst reception in Southie. On the first day, 9 children were injured from rocks thrown at the buses. After that, the buses could run only with heavy police escorts. When a black student stabbed a white student at the high school about 3 months into the busing order, the Southie neighborhood erupted in fury and all the black students became trapped in the high school by the mobs in the street. After this, the schools were closed for a month as the city to ride to figure out a way to restore order.

Forced busing was just another liberal idiocy that had no positive impact. The main long term impact is that urban public schools lost their middle class students and became something that only poor children attended, with all the negative ramifications that came with that.
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Old 01-03-2014, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I just got out of the Cleveland forum after seeing some malcontent from elsewhere bash Forest City over and over again yesterday about being slow and inept and now coming back into the Boston forum I find that someone is bashing the Hub in similar fashion. This so cracks me up, hahahahaha, sorry but I've gotta laugh bwahahaha, two oh so similar posts in two City Data forums in two days, teeheeheeheehee. I'm sorry if I cannot make you laugh but it cracks me up.

There, now that's out of my system. Anyways, being a near lifelong resident of Boston, I can say that our city is not perfect in any way but then much of Boston's social and political issues are shared by so many other cities too. What other city in the US has not suffered from racial or class segregation and economic decline? What other city in the US do you not feel tension when you go into a neighborhood full of people that aren't like you? I mean, such a city would be an "Intercultural City", a sort of utopian city where people of all creeds and ethnicities actually understand each other an fully tolerate each other. Boston is in some ways working toward interculturalism but seriously you could have the most diverse city in the world and still not attain that goal. People will always have a degree of intolerance towards someone else, be they liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat, rich or poor, Black or White, gay or straight, male or female, etc. Not even inside the best universities with the most educated individuals will you achieve pure egalitarian and ethnic harmony. Sheesh, wanting to move out of a place just because one experiences this gets nowhere.
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Old 01-03-2014, 09:42 PM
 
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Yes, there is a certain tweedy quality that gives Massachusetts a split liberal/conservative personality.

So instead of venting, for fun why don't you describe your ideal place to live here?
Ok.. I will do that then:

For safety reasons, plowed roads at all times IF in a wintery climate although my ideal place wouldn't have all this snow so rule that out.

Separation laws from other types of people as it breeds conflict if you try to mix all people together.. outside of smaller demographics of people, just doesn't work out too well.



More places open late so you can get something to eat if you want outside of national chain fast food restaurants so some sort of street food scene for inexpensive would be permitted.

More cloud cover than sunshine, but also more friendliness than the gloomy attitudes that stereotypically come with places like that.

Less traffic, population control. Abortion allowed if a mistake happened or a rape.

Pro straight marriage, anything gay shall be in the closet as it can't be stopped.

Euthanasia would be allowed.

Gambling would be outlawed.

Free parking all the time. Capitalism stemming from peoples night out on the town would be outlawed or even in the daytime unless it was a quarter an hr maybe.

Pot would be legalized for recreation and those who OD, well Natural selection takes care of them.

Pro 2nd amendment.

Less cops, more private security teams if we had to have cops at all and even those would be in small amounts so no dominant supremacy can come out of it. We should have more competing police forces instead of one main, pro state of Israel US governmental force.

My vision coincidentally is probably Pulaski mixed with Portland OR or some weird mix haha. I probably have more on this list but wont get into it now lol.

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Old 01-03-2014, 09:50 PM
 
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The Bay area is on fire economically as in doing good you mean? Apple came from there after all and Google and EBay I think.
Yes, I mean as in doing very, very, very well economically. Apple, Google and eBay are just the tip of the iceberg. Honestly, the reason I joined this forum is I got in an argument with someone over how pathetic it is that Boston has such high-gear education and really has yet to produce one major tech player that actually stays (Microsoft and Facebook, I'm looking at you). There's this revolving door of people who go to school here and then literally bolt elsewhere, and I personally find it incredibly sad.
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Old 01-03-2014, 09:52 PM
 
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Separation laws from other types of people as it breeds conflict if you try to mix all people together.. outside of smaller demographics of people, just doesn't work out too well.

Breeding mixed kids would be treason. I can tolerate the odd few interracial relationships but when kids are made, not for it so much or even less so than when kids aren't in it.
This is where we part ways...
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Old 01-03-2014, 09:53 PM
 
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For safety reasons, plowed roads at all times IF in a wintery climate
100% agree, though am lost as to how to pay for it without driving taxes through the roof.
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Old 01-03-2014, 09:57 PM
 
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Yes, there is a certain tweedy quality that gives Massachusetts a split liberal/conservative personality.

So instead of venting, for fun why don't you describe your ideal place to live here?
I think MA gets more right than it gets wrong, actually, and feel lucky to live here. Its pioneering in education is especially admirable. I do a lot of traveling for work, so MA is basically just a base, and I've seen a lot of the country. My gripes are primarily out of love, that I'm concerned so many locals are so infatuated with their city/state that they don't realize the 2010 census was rather tragic, MA lost representatives, and no one seems to actually care. Meanwhile, smaller emerging cities are growing faster than anyone seems to truly "get", and by the time they get it it will probably be too late.
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Old 01-03-2014, 10:02 PM
 
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What other city in the US has not suffered from racial or class segregation and economic decline?
This isn't what I'm questioning. There are plenty of cities and/or states that know they've suffered from different forms of segregation, and plenty are aware they're in economic decline. My issue is that Boston acts like everything's never been better, and the minute you get on a plane and see what's happening in so many smaller cities, it's hard to suppress the feeling that something's not quite right. I have a lifelong Bostonian friend and I was explaining Charlotte's light rail to him and he literally told me I was lying about it. And this guy isn't stupid -- I just think if you've lived here your whole life and don't travel that much it becomes pretty easy to underestimate just how much traction emerging cities in the US actually have right now and how much progress they've made. My worry is the population loss in MA's 2020 census will be a higher % than 2010, and while Boston is certainly no Detroit, I'd hate to see the city I love begin to go into a more overt form of decline. Economically the city is probably too diversified for that too happen, but it's something I'm increasingly worried about.
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