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Old 01-05-2014, 11:37 AM
 
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I'm not a conservative, but agreed. MA is set up to destroy any non rich inhabitants until they break and then become a subject of their life support system in which forcing you to keep the hands that now feed you (literately) in power, or leave.
There is a political philosophy put to use in Massachusetts that states: if people need government handouts to subsist then they will faithfully and unequivocally vote for the political party providing the handouts.


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It's sad because I really do like the state itself, my friends and family that live their. But since moving out me and the now wife went from renting a crap apt that we could barely afford and struggling every month to owning our first home, having newer cars, got the first kid on the way, and have money in the bank. Something we couldn't accomplish after YEARS of trying in MA. Keep in mind that's after our combined salaries dropped 60k leaving the state!
As an accountant in the northeast I see this all the time. People get all caught up on maximizing top line income/revenue and fail to analyze their costs. It does not really matter how high your salary or imcome is if all of the money is eaten up by costs. I see people who move to the lower cost of living areas get ridiculed in some of these forums by people who do not seem to realize that the bottom line is more important to quality of life than the top line. What matters the most financially is how much money is left in your bank account each month after expenses have been fully paid. Congratulations on seeing the light.


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What's that tell you! When I moved out I knew the state was screwed (hence the move) but didn't truly know how bad it was until I saw the other side. I really feel bad for those not woken up to reality. Instead you just get the kneejerk defense mechanism of "Then Move Out" LOL, Already Did!
My favorite Bostonian defense mechanism is: "Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out."
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:41 AM
 
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My favorite Bostonian defense mechanism is: "Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out."
That's my favorite one too. I'll use it whenever someone like the original poster claims that his ideal location is a place where creating interracial children is treasonous.
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:46 AM
 
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Even most democrats (or liberals) that I know will freely acknowledge that our politicians are horrendous, yet I have no doubt they would vote for them yet again rather than one of those evil republicans. And so it goes on...and why we are often the laughing stock of the nation.


I would go one step further and say that those democrats and liberals would justify the vote for the horrendous incumbent by saying they are voting for the lesser of two evils, however I surmise that if a third party or independent candidate was available they would still vote for the horrendous incumbent time and time again.
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Old 01-05-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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Massachusetts is certainly long past it's prime. It's not that in itself that really dooms us. It's the pervasive attitude (as is evident on this thread), that things are fine and dandy and that there isn't an urgent need to change the way things are done here. If the masses can accept that and take action (and demand it from our pols), then there is hope for us. As it stands now, the brain drain will continue and we will be the new Greece.
massnative, do you see any parallels with the fall of the Roman empire? Perhaps the complacency is attributable to people ingesting water from lead pipes in older parts of the Boston metro area. I do recall from the 2010 US senate election results that the Somerville, Medford and Arlington area voted heavily for Martha Choakley and those areas have very old infrastructure!
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:09 PM
 
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That's my favorite one too. I'll use it whenever someone like the original poster claims that his ideal location is a place where creating interracial children is treasonous.
Yeah that statement left me speechless. As I get older I am finding that more an more of my friendships are interracial and I am finding it harder and harder to bond with the social class of people that I grew up with back in 1980s Massachusetts.
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:22 PM
 
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I would go one step further and say that those democrats and liberals would justify the vote for the horrendous incumbent by saying they are voting for the lesser of two evils, however I surmise that if a third party or independent candidate was available they would still vote for the horrendous incumbent time and time again.
And then you get your deniers. You could have 10 people in the room, none of which will acknowledge having voted for Gov/Rep/Sen ______ _______ D-xxxxxxx. Uh, hello???
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:26 PM
 
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massnative, do you see any parallels with the fall of the Roman empire? Perhaps the complacency is attributable to people ingesting water from lead pipes in older parts of the Boston metro area. I do recall from the 2010 US senate election results that the Somerville, Medford and Arlington area voted heavily for Martha Choakley and those areas have very old infrastructure!
Yes, and it's very scary. They also carried the state for those embarrassments Warren and Meehan. I think those areas will be the first to implode and us "common folk" on the outside will be without rule for ages to come.
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:37 PM
 
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Honestly, the reason I joined this forum is I got in an argument with someone over how pathetic it is that Boston has such high-gear education and really has yet to produce one major tech player that actually stays (Microsoft and Facebook, I'm looking at you). There's this revolving door of people who go to school here and then literally bolt elsewhere, and I personally find it incredibly sad.
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I think MA gets more right than it gets wrong, actually, and feel lucky to live here. Its pioneering in education is especially admirable.
I do agree that the educational opportunities in Boston are a very good thing. I also believe that a healthy balance is the most important thing for a society to prosper. Boston is not balanced. Some will say Boston's economic sectors are balanced and I would respond with somewhat, however the population is not balanced and that will come back to bite Boston in the future.

The post-secondary education sector is too large in Boston. The vast majority of people who come to Boston for more than a tourist or convention visit are students. There are several issues with attracting primarily students over older adults:

(1) Students are part-time taxpayers at best. They do not support the tax base to the same extent as a full time member of the workforce especially if they do not establish residency.
(2) Many students already have aspirations to go somewhere else after graduation no matter how hard Boston entities try to entice them to stay. These students may benefit the schools over the short duration of their stay but not much else.
(3) Schools will over-hype the city to attract as many students as possible to maximize tuition revenue. Is it really beneficial to attract someone who will not like the city once the novelty wears off? New England is a tough environmental and social climate. Personally I would rather work to identify a smaller quantity of people who will love New England, than attract a bunch of people who will do nothing but complain for three or four years.
(4) Students drive up the cost of housing for people who would be willing to make Boston a permanent home. Some of these people will be lost forever to other states.

I think a healthier city is one built around more entities that attract people on a more permanent level where educational institutions make up ten or fifteen percent of the local economy providing adequate entry-level workers as well as workforce training and enhancement. Boston churns out too many entry-level candidates which exacerbates the resident turnover issue.

The bottom line is that people who choose to make Boston a permanent home will possess a different attitude about the city than students. Boston is (slowly) losing that side of its population. Students will not have the same concerns as established adults. I see this demographic shift as a significant problem in the future.
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Old 01-06-2014, 03:54 PM
 
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"There is a political philosophy put to use in Massachusetts that states: if people need government handouts to subsist then they will faithfully and unequivocally vote for the political party providing the handouts. "

Fine in theory but fatal in fact. Those with less income are generally much less apt to vote. Having said this general elections have a larger turnout then local. But the reality is the state isn't nearly as "left" as what some might suggest. Consider the following.

1) If this was such a peacenik place then why do many Ivy league schools develop weapons for the miitary? How many simply go up to Raytheon? It wasn't that long ago that the first President bush bragged about patriot missiles in Andover. Remember the movie Weird Science? That was kinda based on some real things. People even referred to MIT as the Pentagon on the Charles during Vietnam

2) If Mass has such high amounts of gun control why did so many weapons be made in Springfield for so long?

3) Why would sales taxes and fuel taxes go up fully knowing that these are regressive in nature?

4) Why would Mass push the state lottery so much (yes I know it it killed off numbers games by organized crime but still) fully knowing that addictive gamblers are more likely to be poorer people? What about the push for casinos?

5) If Mass was so much to the left why is much of the state gentrified? The former Combat Zone is now dorms for northeastern (not the same buildings obviously, they were ripped down).

6) Why are there such generous tax breaks given the sports teams in the state? How many world series, superbowls, nba playoffs and Stanley cups have to be won before they go up?

7) Would any liberal place create such a massive economic divide between eastern and western mass?

I agree with the novelty factor. Don't get me wrong if you are looking for specific medical care, going to higher education or a great bar/sport scene by all means Boston has it. But once you are done with school (at least formal schooling), discover local bars and that a hdtv can be a better experience then going to the game you grow out of it. A friend of mine had to almost beg me to go to a redsox game with him last year. It was raining and ok but kinda got old.

Also consider this
United States presidential election in Massachusetts, 2004 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
South east mass is turning more to the right and it is the fastest growing part of the state. In 2004 it was nearly tied in Plymouth and Bristol county.

United States presidential election in Massachusetts, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Again four years later the same thing.

United States presidential election in Massachusetts, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Massachusetts Population Growth Rate by County
So if central Ma and south east ma turn to the right it's only a matter of time before Berkshire county fades in terms of a voting block. The democrats cannot simply treat Mass as JUST Boston. As we can see those that are the most to the left are just not growing.

It is one thing for towns to go to the right but once a whole county goes and this looks possible at the way things are going we might see this turn more purple than blue.
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Old 01-06-2014, 05:18 PM
 
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Shouldn't this thread be in politics and other controversies?
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