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Old 05-08-2017, 03:41 PM
 
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^ i said it was unrelated.

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Old 05-08-2017, 03:42 PM
 
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^ i said it was unrelated.
Well, I talk about what I did to see if I could get a better understanding of Boston.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:00 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale
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I mean, the city of perceived to me a very racist city. Is it overblown or sensationalist?
I see Boston as a society of individuals. I have met people from Boston who are not racist at all. My roommate in graduate school was Italian from Brockton. He was easy-going and became a fraternity president. I used to think fraternities were rampantly racist, but he destroyed that stereotype for me.
I also had an Irish Catholic friend from Boston who taught in a rural HS in the southwest after he graduated from college. He was not racist at all.

With that said, there have been incidents over the years that give it that "reputation" in the media. Some of it is subtle. Some of it is blatant. In the early 1950s there was a pattern of white supremacy and resentment in boxing against the black heavyweight fighters of the time. Rocky Marciano was the "great white hope" who was racist and came from a segregated neighborhood. I read the book written by his relatives, and it revealed blatant racism with a view on white supremacy in the boxing ring. Realistically, he retired very young and did not compete into his 40s like other fighters. So his professional record was undefeated with that caveat. He did lose fights in his amateur record. When Ali was undefeated in the late 1960s, a computer simulation was made to showcase a fight with Ali against Marciano. The film showed a computerized victory of Marciano in his prime against Ali in his youth. The film was very racist and meant for a white audience who rooted for the "Great White Hope". Ironically, recent DNA studies reveal that many Italians are part African and Asian - usually about 3%. The Roman Empire stretched into Asia and Africa at its height - hence there was intermixing and Italians often have African or Asian ancestry (on a small level).

Another pattern of racism can be found in the busing for desegregation back in the early 1970s. Many racist teens would taunt the buses and throw rocks at them openly. It was a bigoted time. In the 1980s the "rivalry" between the Boston Celtics and the LA Lakers was rooted in racism. The white supremacists wanted to promote white superiority in basketball and would promote Larry Bird as a symbol in the games against a black team. Ironically, Larry Bird himself in modern times does not promote that type of racism.

There is resentment against affirmative action at Harvard and MIT. The admitted minorities are usually stigmatized as not deserving to be there compared to white and Asian students. The stigma is very strong. There are often news articles about black students who got into more than one Ivy League school, but if you read the uncensored comments there is a stigma. So subtle racism exists at Harvard and MIT with extreme resentment against affirmative action. The underlying theme is "you don't really deserve to be here".

But modern Boston is full of individuals, and I think it's best to not generalize the whole city based on some individual racists.
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Old 05-09-2017, 06:14 AM
 
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There is an estimated 1 million Black Slaves owned by Black Slave Owners in African countries Today, 2017. Has been going on centuries.

Where is the criticism? Let me guess, it is Boston racism for pointing this out:




http://www.city-data.com/forum/attac...1&d=1494328133


http://www.city-data.com/forum/attac...1&d=1494328267

"Slavery in Africa has existed throughout the continent for many centuries, and still continues in the current day in some countries." -Wikipedia
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Old 05-09-2017, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Westwood, MA
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There is an estimated 1 million Black Slaves owned by Black Slave Owners in African countries Today, 2017. Has been going on centuries.

Where is the criticism? Let me guess, it is Boston racism for pointing this out:




http://www.city-data.com/forum/attac...1&d=1494328133


http://www.city-data.com/forum/attac...1&d=1494328267

"Slavery in Africa has existed throughout the continent for many centuries, and still continues in the current day in some countries." -Wikipedia
Isn't that a false dichotomy? I've certainly seen plenty decrying modern day slavery in Africa as well as other parts of the world (including the US). Saying we shouldn't let people call out racist behavior because there's slavery is a bit like saying we shouldnt worry about someone beating his wife because someone else murdered his family.
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:46 AM
 
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Ok! What was your purpose from mentioning Black Slaves owning other Black Slave Owners?! Yes, it's a historical and current human travesty, but why bring it to this post when it has nothing to do what we're discussing?


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Where is the criticism?
*Sighs* Come on man?!! We ALL can be very critical of any human practice that is devaluing and degrading human life in any nation. I'm pointing out why the city has been labelled in this fashion. Deflecting the issue about Black slavery in contemporary Africa doesn't dismiss my point and the perspective of other contributors on this thread.

This is not about finger-pointing, it's about sharing information, perspectives and understanding.


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There is an estimated 1 million Black Slaves owned by Black Slave Owners in African countries Today, 2017. Has been going on centuries.

Where is the criticism? Let me guess, it is Boston racism for pointing this out:




http://www.city-data.com/forum/attac...1&d=1494328133


http://www.city-data.com/forum/attac...1&d=1494328267

"Slavery in Africa has existed throughout the continent for many centuries, and still continues in the current day in some countries." -Wikipedia
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Old 05-09-2017, 08:59 AM
 
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Though I do not agree with the racist backlash of the busing crisis, I would be beyond angry if my kids had to be bused to a neighborhood miles away that they had no connection to.

New Englanders have loyalties to their towns or in the case of Boston, their neighborhoods. Ask someone where they are from and they will most likely give you the specific town name that has been around for 100s of years. The same can be said for the Irish in south Boston. I don't blame them one bit for getting the f out of Boston.
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Old 05-09-2017, 09:49 AM
 
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Though I do not agree with the racist backlash of the busing crisis, I would be beyond angry if my kids had to be bused to a neighborhood miles away that they had no connection to.

New Englanders have loyalties to their towns or in the case of Boston, their neighborhoods. Ask someone where they are from and they will most likely give you the specific town name that has been around for 100s of years. The same can be said for the Irish in south Boston. I don't blame them one bit for getting the f out of Boston.
I still can't excuse the reaction. Other cities had busing, and its issues. Other parts of New England did, but it still bothers me that such a reaction took place in Boston. Boston has a bad reputation for that reason. In my opinion, that reputation was building itself for years before the busing crisis. In my opinion, I think the violent reaction merely exposed what was always there.

Here is a question. Among New Englanders, how much town/neighborhood loyalty would exist depending on race/ethnic group?
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Old 05-09-2017, 12:03 PM
 
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I still can't excuse the reaction. Other cities had busing, and its issues. Other parts of New England did, but it still bothers me that such a reaction took place in Boston. Boston has a bad reputation for that reason. In my opinion, that reputation was building itself for years before the busing crisis. In my opinion, I think the violent reaction merely exposed what was always there.

Here is a question. Among New Englanders, how much town/neighborhood loyalty would exist depending on race/ethnic group?
Exactly. My father immigrated to the US decades before the bussing riots. I remember him telling us that he had seen instances in which a black person boarding a Boston public transit bus was told to go to the back.

Bussing merely triggered an escalation from resentment and nonphysical harrassment to outright physical attacks. Those attacks would not have happened out of the blue. There would have had to be a long-brewing undercurrent already present before it erupted.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:05 PM
 
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If you have a chance, read Michael Patrick MacDonald's All Soul's. It will give you a very good perspective of the racism in Boston during the busing crisis.

IMHO, Bostonians as a whole are not racist but there is a pervasive undercurrent of racism that still exists in the city. It will take 2 or 3 generations for that to go away.
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