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Old 05-05-2017, 06:15 AM
 
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On the issues. Pro-union, anti-corporation, defenders of the safety net, for legalization and universal healthcare, etc.

A few even hated Reagan, who even most Democrats supported at the time.




Wow, that makes someone liberal? It shows how extremely far right we've swung in this country.


I don't know anyone anti corporation, just anti corporate abuse and anti corporate personhood, which is a very different thing than anti corporation.
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Old 05-05-2017, 07:15 AM
 
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Wow, that makes someone liberal? It shows how extremely far right we've swung in this country.


I don't know anyone anti corporation, just anti corporate abuse and anti corporate personhood, which is a very different thing than anti corporation.
If that's not liberal, then I don't know what is. Remember liberalism does not = socialism.

No I'm talking people who are "anti-corporation". Like, "the big guy is out to screw us (regardless)" kind of stuff. People who are against any higher personal income taxes, but would be in favor of taxing corporations to oblivion. They don't draw the connection that in the end, Exxon Mobil and Microsoft are paying their MBTA janitor salaries. This sort of attitude (along with the racism) seems more prevalent on people late 40s +.
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Old 05-05-2017, 07:36 AM
 
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If that's not liberal, then I don't know what is. Remember liberalism does not = socialism.

No I'm talking people who are "anti-corporation". Like, "the big guy is out to screw us (regardless)" kind of stuff. People who are against any higher personal income taxes, but would be in favor of taxing corporations to oblivion. They don't draw the connection that in the end, Exxon Mobil and Microsoft are paying their MBTA janitor salaries. This sort of attitude (along with the racism) seems more prevalent on people late 40s +.


Taxing corporations to oblivion? Oh good heavens. They seem to have a much better grasp on reality than you do. That less than 15% effective tax rate Microsoft is paying is really burdensome.


Never met a liberal that was against a progressive tax structure, or even paying more in taxes, if it went to justifiable expenses, such as care for those less fortunate, education, infrastructure... as opposed to corporate welfare and waging war across the globe to benefit the ultra rich.

And allowing people freedom to assemble and organize... damn liberals. Haha. That isn't really, and shouldn't be, a liberal viewpoint or value, it should be a liberty and freedom loving value, but you know, conservatives aren't really about that.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/orwN4WKhriw

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Old 05-05-2017, 07:53 AM
 
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Taxing corporations to oblivion? Oh good heavens. They seem to have a much better grasp on reality than you do. That less than 15% effective tax rate Microsoft is paying is really burdensome.
LOL! You're sidetracking from the whole point, which is that some of these people would be A OK with a 50%, 60% or higher corporate rate if you floated it by them. They don't understand the consequences it would have on them, and they see all big business as the enemy.

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Never met a liberal that was against a progressive tax structure, or even paying more in taxes, if it went to justifiable expenses, such as care for those less fortunate, education, infrastructure... as opposed to corporate welfare and waging war across the globe to benefit the ultra rich.
You're proving my point. And never said liberalism in the traditional sense was a bad thing, just that the ideology has become so perverted over the years.

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And allowing people freedom to assemble and organize... damn liberals. Haha. That isn't really, and shouldn't be, a liberal viewpoint or value, it should be a liberty and freedom loving value, but you know, conservatives aren't really about that.
How is that just a liberal thing??? Giving one the "freedom not to" is not the same as "denying one freedom". Libs love to talk about being pro-choice, but...

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Confused. Are you saying Reagan is a liberal, or are you now admitting conservatives are just as much defenders of freedom as liberals?

Sorry Mod, but you can't say I was the one who pushed this OT.
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:03 AM
 
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You're proving my point. And never said liberalism in the traditional sense was a bad thing, just that the ideology has become so perverted over the years.

It's become watered down. Today's democrats are the republicans of the 70s. Today's republicans are so far to the right of anything else that there is no comparison.


Liberalism has been watered down into conservatism, you're correct on this.



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How is that just a liberal thing??? Giving one the "freedom not to" is not the same as "denying one freedom".


Oh, I see what you're confused about. You think so called "right to work" legislation just means a person doesn't HAVE TO join a union. I got it, you don't understand it.


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Confused. Are you saying Reagan is a liberal, or are you now admitting conservatives are just as much defenders of freedom as liberals?

Sorry Mod, but you can't say I was the one who pushed this OT.


Reagan would be too far left for conservatives of today. After all, he did raise taxes (though modern conservatives only remember his lower taxes) in 7 of 8 years of office, because, well what do you know, those tax cuts he made did not raise enough revenue with the expanded economy, so he had to raise them. They never do, yet the cuckooconservatives are trying to make that claim again.
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Old 05-05-2017, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Stay on topic.
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Old 05-05-2017, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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I would venture to guess that this reputation goes back to the bussing days. Boston made national headlines for this in the 70s and the reputation never went away.
In addition, Mass. is very racially and economically segregated. It is slowly improving, but the pace is much slower than other areas of the country. This segregation does nothing to help people understand others who are different from them and can insulate those individuals who foster ignorant beliefs.
Yeah that used to be the mental image I had of Boston for the longest. The mental image was on par of an Selma or Birmingham Alabama or a Governor George Wallace standing in front of the entrance of the University of Alabama in an attempt to stop the enrollment of black students and him saying "Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever!"

The thing about Boston that differentiated itself from other cities that had race riots was that all the other cities these were a one day or week event. In Boston the violence and hostility were similar to the states in the deep South in that it lasted a pronounced prolonged period of time lasting into years. I assumed those attitudes had died out and maybe for the most part they may have except for isolated incidents so it's hard for an outsider to gauge.

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Old 05-05-2017, 09:05 PM
 
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Unless they're white, then voluntary self-segregation becomes racist.


my parents and uncles were victims of redlining when they first moved to this country.
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Old 05-06-2017, 08:17 PM
 
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I would venture to guess that this reputation goes back to the bussing days. Boston made national headlines for this in the 70s and the reputation never went away.
In addition, Mass. is very racially and economically segregated. It is slowly improving, but the pace is much slower than other areas of the country. This segregation does nothing to help people understand others who are different from them and can insulate those individuals who foster ignorant beliefs.
My question is this. WHY? What is up with Boston compared to other northern cities? I can explain how Mississippi and Alabama function. Boston, however, is more perplexing. Other cities have racial issues too. Boston, however, sticks out more. I have to wonder what it is about Boston compared to other places.
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Old 05-06-2017, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN, Cincinnati, OH
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Since when did being liberal mean you could not be racist. I must have missed the e-mail on that.
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