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Old 05-09-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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The big drop occurred 20 years ago. Something called the 10 point coalition. The model involves cooperation among ministers, community leaders, police and criminal justice people to anticipate and help ward off criminal behavior among likely suspects. The Boston model is offered in contrast to small infractions intolerance and stop-and-frisk police behavior pursued in New York under Giuliani. It worked really well but proved hard to sustain. But no Michael Brown-like cases in Boston!

Joking aside I don't think gentrification has much to do with it. The neighborhoods that generate most of the drug-related criminal activity are not gentrified. High property values translates to no housing abandonment (unlike Baltimore) but I don't know how much that has to do with murder rates.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:45 PM
 
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20-30 years ago there were plenty of drugs being sold in the South End, Somerville, Southie and JP. Hell. Still are.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:53 PM
 
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20-30 years ago there were plenty of drugs being sold in the South End, Somerville, Southie and JP. Hell. Still are.
Somerville, Southie, and JP are wealthier and more gentrified then they were 20-30 years ago. Yuppies do drugs, they just don't get arrested for it lol.
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Old 05-10-2017, 06:39 AM
 
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20-30 years ago there were plenty of drugs being sold in the South End, Somerville, Southie and JP. Hell. Still are.

There are plenty of drugs being sold in Belmont, Concord, Newbury, and Martha's Vineyard too. So?
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Old 05-10-2017, 06:48 AM
 
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Uh oh?!! Hahahahahahahahahahaa....



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I dunno. Who is "you people"? College students?
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Old 05-10-2017, 10:39 AM
 
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Working with ministers, rec centers, community organizations, and police. It works because Boston is so neighborhood focused. It was natural to have these sort of small coalitions focus in on hot spots in neighborhoods. Gentrification also minimized and even eliminated from in white inner city neighborhoods like southie charlestown and parts of Dorchester. Also gentrification minimized crime in close-in black/Latino neighborhoods like the south end, Mission Hill JP and to a lessser extent Fenway. There are also fewer 16-24 year olds who are born in raised in Boston who are able to live here due to high housing cost drivin families and low income youth out of the city. Increased tax revenue has provided the city with the ability to implement better surveillance.
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Old 05-10-2017, 10:45 AM
 
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I was his personal assistant in the summers of 2012 and 2013 at 411 Washington Street, Dorchester. What a charismatic guy. Like a huuuge personality. I followed him every day in the summer and he's got a passion for helping POOR folks and real at risk kids/communities.
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Old 05-10-2017, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Not to give him all the credit but our former mayor Thomas Menino and the Boston City Council did start several initiatives some 15-20 years ago that bore the fruits of safety today.
  • community policing and working with neighborhood associations
  • aggressively marketing (at the time) low demand neighborhoods to suburbanites and out of staters
  • designate Boston as an "innovation city" and took advantage of its numerous colleges and universities to attract students and academics from all over
  • did away with rent control so that lower income families including those with members that often commit crimes began to be priced out
  • tore down and redeveloped notoriously crime ridden housing projects
  • otherwise attracted many businesses and injected a lot of capital into the city

Now as you see here, even I agree that a few of my bullet items are debatable. Not a few could certainly be considered unethical by some and there are both positive and negative externalities to be considered. Mayor Menino's long tenure also played a part as he was able to get things done that other less influential mayors could not. In some sense, the image of a city's leadership plays a huge role. Unlike mayors of other cities, Menino stressed his working class roots, constantly reminded that he dropped out of college the first time around and became a blue collar auto mechanic but greatly valued higher education for young people, made fun of his own stumbling speeches and thick Bostonian accent, and lived in a modest working class Hyde Park neighborhood. Same with several city councilors including one whose own son was mugged on a street in broad daylight and stressed that if this could happen to his son then it could happen to anyone's children. People respected this over the years and were willing to work together to make the city better.
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Old 05-10-2017, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Joking aside I don't think gentrification has much to do with it. The neighborhoods that generate most of the drug-related criminal activity are not gentrified.
You actually just gave an argument as to why gentrification does have something to do with it.
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Old 05-10-2017, 06:44 PM
 
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The book Freakanomics suggests that the drop in crime might be due to the city's (more) liberal attitude toward abortion, and a corresponding decrease in children raised in households that are not adequately able to support them.
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