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Old 05-11-2017, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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The book Freakanomics suggests that the drop in crime might be due to the city's (more) liberal attitude toward abortion, and a corresponding decrease in children raised in households that are not adequately able to support them.
I think this has to be explained way more. I've found Freakonomics to be kinda useless. Experts in identifying strained correlation, not so much in proving anything at all.
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Old 05-12-2017, 06:07 AM
 
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From what I understood the Guardian Angels had a tremendous impact on Boston crime and gang activity in the early 80s and were called upon again about ten years ago. I have a friend who is heavily involved and the amount of dedication, footwork and outreach he did was incredible.
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:05 AM
 
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The answer is gentrification, and the follow-up question should be "how did Brockton, New Bedford, Lawrence, Lowell, etc RAISE their crime rate?"
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Old 05-13-2017, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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The answer is gentrification, and the follow-up question should be "how did Brockton, New Bedford, Lawrence, Lowell, etc RAISE their crime rate?"
They've become the new Dorchester, South End, East Boston, Mattapan, and Roxbury. Enough said.
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Old 05-13-2017, 11:16 AM
 
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I dunno. Who is "you people"?
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I dunno. Who is "you people"? College students?
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Old 05-14-2017, 01:31 AM
 
Location: New England
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The answer is gentrification, and the follow-up question should be "how did Brockton, New Bedford, Lawrence, Lowell, etc RAISE their crime rate?"
Take out Lowell, and i'd agree with you. Lowell has become a lot safer then it used to be.
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Old 05-17-2017, 08:23 AM
 
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The answer is gentrification, and the follow-up question should be "how did Brockton, New Bedford, Lawrence, Lowell, etc RAISE their crime rate?"
It's also economic opportunities for the bottom 20%. If you have no job skills in Springfield, you pretty much have no shot at escaping poverty. Of the poorest 10 public schools in the state, 4 are in Springfield and 3 in Holyoke. Of the top 20, 9 are in Springfield. Inside the 495 belt, anybody who can actually show up on time every day can find some kind of job. You don't have that core of poor people who have completely given up.

The OP is asking from the perspective of Baltimore. Baltimore has a pocket of affluence around the inner harbor with office towers, tourism, professional sports, and health care/U MD med school. It also has a north/south corridor running a mile+ up to Johns Hopkins. Baltimore has a population of 620,000 and a 23.7% poverty rate. There are 150,000 poor people jammed into a small number of square miles. The crime and particularly the violent crime is concentrated in those places.

The US census poverty rates in the eastern Massachusetts cities mostly aren't anything like the failed cities elsewhere and the populations are much lower. Brockton is 18.6%. Lowell is 19.8%. Worcester is 22.4%. Fall River is 23.2%. New Bedford is 23.4%. 20,000 people at poverty level, not 150,000. You don't have the huge concentrations of poor people like a Baltimore or a Philadelphia so you don't have the same level of violent crime.
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Old 05-27-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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There are plenty of drugs being sold in Belmont, Concord, Newbury, and Martha's Vineyard too. So?
Yes, but in those places, they were being sold by CVS, Walgreens, and Rite Aid.
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Old 05-29-2017, 04:16 PM
 
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Thank you for everyone's intelligent participation!!!!
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Old 05-30-2017, 11:49 AM
 
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It's also economic opportunities for the bottom 20%. If you have no job skills in Springfield, you pretty much have no shot at escaping poverty. Of the poorest 10 public schools in the state, 4 are in Springfield and 3 in Holyoke. Of the top 20, 9 are in Springfield. Inside the 495 belt, anybody who can actually show up on time every day can find some kind of job. You don't have that core of poor people who have completely given up.

The OP is asking from the perspective of Baltimore. Baltimore has a pocket of affluence around the inner harbor with office towers, tourism, professional sports, and health care/U MD med school. It also has a north/south corridor running a mile+ up to Johns Hopkins. Baltimore has a population of 620,000 and a 23.7% poverty rate. There are 150,000 poor people jammed into a small number of square miles. The crime and particularly the violent crime is concentrated in those places.

The US census poverty rates in the eastern Massachusetts cities mostly aren't anything like the failed cities elsewhere and the populations are much lower. Brockton is 18.6%. Lowell is 19.8%. Worcester is 22.4%. Fall River is 23.2%. New Bedford is 23.4%. 20,000 people at poverty level, not 150,000. You don't have the huge concentrations of poor people like a Baltimore or a Philadelphia so you don't have the same level of violent crime.

Those poverty rate are stil pretty high especially for the COL out here You also left out cities like Lawrence Holyoke and Springfield all over 27% poor...even Boston itself has always been 19-21% poor. ON par with NYC, poorer than DC (16% poor) and less than Philly 25/26%.
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